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angellous_evangellous
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Protestants are just making it up as they go along.
Because of this, every church is going to be different. Some (if not most) will not recognize your baptism if you were baptized as an infant. Because they think that transubstantiation is basically a heresy, that you have ever receivied holy communion is meaningless, if not offensive to them.
A Baptist church will usually require you to be baptized again and affirm some of their core beliefs - whatever they happen to be - and then all is well.
Because of this, every church is going to be different. Some (if not most) will not recognize your baptism if you were baptized as an infant. Because they think that transubstantiation is basically a heresy, that you have ever receivied holy communion is meaningless, if not offensive to them.
A Baptist church will usually require you to be baptized again and affirm some of their core beliefs - whatever they happen to be - and then all is well.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
They don't believe communion to be heresy, Katy; they believe the doctrine of transubstantiation (or real presence) to be heresy. BTW, I've been told that there's a difference between transubstantiation and real presence, but I'm not quite sure what it is. At any rate, very few Protestants accept this doctrine as true.Katy said:
Katzpur said:
Would this have to do with the Catholic belief of the bread and wine actually turning into the flesh and blood of Jesus during communion? My friend is a Baptist and she never necessarily said anything about Baptists not believing it, but said that she found it extremely creepy.
fascist_crusader
Member
I attend a baptist church, and as far as I know none of the congregants consider it to be a heresy or offensive. In my experience they are just turned off by the idea of transsubstaniation. I myself have no poblem with it though, I've actual been toying with the idea of going catholic.
bible truth
Active Member
Hi katy,
Communion was commanded by Jesus as revealed in the Bible. We believe there are two sacraments or ordinance found in the Bible: communion and baptism. Protestants believe in various views of communion: consubstantiation - Lutheran, memorial- Baptist, Reformed view –means of sanctifying grace through faith, etc. The Reformed and Lutheran views agree that communion is more than just a memorial, or a remembrance position (baptist).
All Protestants refute Transubstation- the Roman Catholic view of the Eucharist. The official Roman Catholic teaching of communion is that Jesus leaves the throne of grace to resacrifce Himself at the beckon call of the Roman Catholic priest who converts the elements of bread and wine to the real and literal presence of Christ. I posted the decrees of the Council of Trent on the sacraments for self study (Roman Catholic dogma).
http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct07.html
If you want to understand the essential difference between Roman Catholicism and protestant Christianity, come and join us at the “The Roman Catholic Gospel and the Protestant Gospel” Thread. Historically, Protestants believe that Christians are saved by grace alone, through faith alone and by the person and work of Christ alone. Roman Catholicism teaches salvation through the sacraments. The main issues of the Protestant Reformation that occured almost 500 years ago, are the same essential issues that divide Biblical Christians with Roman Catholics today. The main issue that divides us is the doctrine of justification by faith alone. The doctrine of justification is the heart of the Biblical gospel. We have peace with God through the person and work of Christ alone. - BT
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
BT, I'd greatly appreciate you don't teach official Catholic dogma. If you want to discuss it, I'm game. But please don't pretend to know what we teach in a Baptist forum.
bible truth
Active Member
Victor,
What are you talking about? Katy is Roman Catholic considering converting to Baptist Protestantism. Do you have issues that I described Roman Catholicism is salvation through the sacraments? Do you have an issue how I described the Eucharist according to the official Roman Catholic position? Please consider Post 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 on this Thread. They seem to be way more out of line than my post 8. I would like to get the moderator team to consider your posting to me as compared to the other ones. Remember, I am more qualified to answer this particular Thread than all of the other posters from Post 2 through 7 on this Thread, including you. - BT
bible truth
Active Member
Actually, historical Protestantism and 21st century protestant biblical churches still consider the official Roman Catholic position of communion to be heresy. All you need to do is study official protestant confessions, catechisms, and various Baptist statement of faith. I would suggest by starting with the London Baptist Confession of 1689.
This is the London Baptist Confession of 1689
http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html
6._____ That doctrine which maintains a change of the substance of bread and wine, into the substance of Christ's body and blood, commonly called transubstantiation, by consecration of a priest, or by any other way, is repugnant not to Scripture alone, but even to common sense and reason, overthroweth the nature of the ordinance, and hath been, and is, the cause of manifold superstitions, yea, of gross idolatries.
( Acts 3:21; Luke 14:6, 39; 1 Corinthians 11:24, 25 )
http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc30.html
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
As it relates to your faith (Baptist), that's probably true, but you aren't just making "matter of fact" statements of your faith, but also of mine. Incorrectly so, I might add. So please, answer questions as it corresponds to your faith. Please do not make any "matter of fact" statements of my faith.
If you have any questions, please go to the Catholic section and ask us.
bible truth
Active Member
I edited my Thread describing the Eucharist with a post to the Council of Trent on the sacraments. This is official dogma that all Roman Catholics have bee accept as part of your faith, correct? I prefer finding official teachings from Rome as compared to asking Roman Catholic laity. Because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what Roman Catholic laity professes to be true. What matters is official teaching from the Roman Catholic magestrium described in sacred oral and written tradition. The Council of Trent is sacred written tradition, correct? - BT
bible truth
Active Member
Here is a link the Southern Baptist Convention which is the largest protestant denomination in the United States. The Southern Baptist Convention seminary has returned to their Calvinist roots, producing godly Pastors with Calvinist convictions (firmly rooted in the Scriptures). - BT
http://www.sbc.net/bfm/default.asp
VII. Baptism and the Lord's Supper
Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer's death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus. It is a testimony to his faith in the final resurrection of the dead. Being a church ordinance, it is prerequisite to the privileges of church membership and to the Lord's Supper.
The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members of the church, through partaking of the bread and the fruit of the vine, memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming.
Matthew 3:13-17; 26:26-30; 28:19-20; Mark 1:9-11; 14:22-26; Luke 3:21-22; 22:19-20; John 3:23; Acts 2:41-42; 8:35-39; 16:30-33; 20:7; Romans 6:3-5; 1 Corinthians 10:16,21; 11:23-29; Colossians 2:12.
http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#vii
http://www.sbc.net/bfm/default.asp
VII. Baptism and the Lord's Supper
Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer's death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus. It is a testimony to his faith in the final resurrection of the dead. Being a church ordinance, it is prerequisite to the privileges of church membership and to the Lord's Supper.
The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members of the church, through partaking of the bread and the fruit of the vine, memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming.
Matthew 3:13-17; 26:26-30; 28:19-20; Mark 1:9-11; 14:22-26; Luke 3:21-22; 22:19-20; John 3:23; Acts 2:41-42; 8:35-39; 16:30-33; 20:7; Romans 6:3-5; 1 Corinthians 10:16,21; 11:23-29; Colossians 2:12.
http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#vii
bible truth
Active Member
http://www.gty.org/index.php
Here is a link to one of the best Baptist ministry found in the church today. The Baptist site is currently debating Roman Catholicism with Biblical Christianity.