Cooking meat for others.

[Kalidas]

So St Patricks day is coming fast. This used to be one of my favoratr holidays and all because of corn beef. I loved it, I waited all year for it. Well now I am a Hindu vegetarian so not gonna eat it(in May it will be one year I have been a vegetarian). I found this neat recipe for an Irish guiness stew, replace the beef with seitan(HAIL SEITAN). Well I was wondering though what about cooking meat for others? My wife wants me to make the corn beef for everyone(I make it taste amazing she says), and since the veg switch my cooking skills have only gotten better. They will buy corn beef whether I cook it or not.So its not like my cooking will lead to any more harm then what will already be caused(sorry my family eats meat nothing I can do about that). If I do decide to cook it should there be some kind of a prayer? Like a bit of an "I'm sorry Gomata thank you for your sacrifice"? Or should I say no?

 

[Vinayaka]

For me it depends on the level of the friend or relative. I'd cook it for my own father, or mother-in-law when they were alive, but not for friends. We had a family reunion of just my brother and sisters once, and we even allowed meat in the house. I ordered them some KFC.

It's interesting at Tamil weddings. One staunch vegetarian I know decided to have meat at his kid's wedding thinking nobody would come and he'd insult them all.

Another heavy meat eating friend decided he'd only serve vegetarian at his kid's wedding because he didn't want to insult the vegetarians.

So there you go. Have fun deciding, and just know that in the large scale of things , your decision will not have a lot of impact either way.

 

[Kalidas]

For me it depends on the level of the friend or relative. I'd cook it for my own father, or mother-in-law when they were alive, but not for friends. We had a family reunion of just my brother and sisters once, and we even allowed meat in the house. I ordered them some KFC.

It's interesting at Tamil weddings. One staunch vegetarian I know decided to have meat at his kid's wedding thinking nobody would come and he'd insult them all.

Another heavy meat eating friend decided he'd only serve vegetarian at his kid's wedding because he didn't want to insult the vegetarians.

So there you go. Have fun deciding, and just know that in the large scale of things , your decision will not have a lot of impact either way.

Thanks. I probably will because it is family, and will make the wife happy. Hopefully when we live on our own again I can slowly convert her to being a vegetarian. Via she doesn't cook as much as I do so all my dishes will be vegetarian so she wont have a choice muwahahahaha.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Let them do whatever they want. Do not try to convert them. Cook it for others, you would not incur any sin. Add a tasty vegetarian dish from your side.

A story from India: Maharaja Man Singh of Jodhpur was a vegetarian. So, when he invited a cousin (Maharaja of Bikaner), the cousin insisted on non-vegetarian fare. The Chef prepared a jack-fuit dish, which was placed before the Bikaner Maharaja after much drinking. The Bikaner Maharaja said that the dish was very tasty but kept asking why this dish did not have any bones (Haddi kahan hai, haddi kahan hai? - Where is the bone, where is the bone?). (Katahal Dum - we had it yesterday. My wife cooks it beautifully. Comes out darker than what is shown in the image. The pieces are fried harder)

 

[Fireside_Hindu]

I think about this sometimes. I've been beef, pork, lamb free for about a year now, but my husband still partakes. (I'm basically mammal free - I still eat poultry and fish...workin' on it)

He knows that if he wants beef, he has to make it himself. I still occasionally buy it for him if he asks specifically, but generally, he gets it himself when he wants it.

If you feel uncomfortable actually making it, why not this year, instruct another family member on how to prepare it? That way, in future years you can feel a little better and let someone else take care of it. Spread your corned beef knowledge and then they won't need you to make it.

Just an idea! =)

Either way, don't beat yourself up too much. It's all a process and permanent changes sometimes take a while. It's harder when you take care of others too. Do the best you can and let it be

:camp:

 

[Kalidas]

Oh I don't want to convert my family, they can do as they choose. My wife though when we live on our own well, sorry hun but if you want more meat start cooking.

Yeah I may make it this year and show people how I do it. Tomorrow I am gonna try and make my Seitan... this will be a new adventure!

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

So St Patricks day is coming fast. This used to be one of my favoratr holidays and all because of corn beef. I loved it, I waited all year for it. Well now I am a Hindu vegetarian so not gonna eat it(in May it will be one year I have been a vegetarian). I found this neat recipe for an Irish guiness stew, replace the beef with seitan(HAIL SEITAN). Well I was wondering though what about cooking meat for others? My wife wants me to make the corn beef for everyone(I make it taste amazing she says), and since the veg switch my cooking skills have only gotten better. They will buy corn beef whether I cook it or not.So its not like my cooking will lead to any more harm then what will already be caused(sorry my family eats meat nothing I can do about that). If I do decide to cook it should there be some kind of a prayer? Like a bit of an "I'm sorry Gomata thank you for your sacrifice"? Or should I say no?

Namaste. :namaste

With respect, pranams and Om.

Sometimes, a 'Western Hindu' is forced into a situation where they either must eat beef, or at least cook it/serve it to another human being.

My family all know I will eat any meat besides beef, but it doesn't stop them from wanting to have a BBQ every time I visit, or having this 'Award-Winning' lasagne, that cannot be made using chicken mince for some stupid, unknown reason...

Anyway, all the protestations in the world won't help at that time, and under the grim, stern gaze of your parents, you just gotta 'sit there and eat it all up now, like a good girl'....so, I do.

Suffice to say, I don't visit my parents for dinner that often...Christmas, Easter, birthdays...that sort of thing.

As long as 'God' can see that I am 'really tryin' here.

Aum Namah Shivaya

 

[Maya3]

My husband eats meat and he cooks all the meat. But I cook meat at work for the kid I take care of. I would not be able to get work if I couldn´t do that.

I like the idea of showing your wife how to do it, that way you can cook the corn beef this year and then next year she could do it.

Do you mind sharing the Seitan recipe?

Maya

 

[Kalidas]

My husband eats meat and he cooks all the meat. But I cook meat at work for the kid I take care of. I would not be able to get work if I couldn´t do that.

I like the idea of showing your wife how to do it, that way you can cook the corn beef this year and then next year she could do it.

Do you mind sharing the Seitan recipe?

Maya

Here I found all these

Vegetarian and Vegan Irish Recipes for St. Patrick's Day - Meatless Irish Recipes - Vegetarian Saint Patrick's Day - Vegan Irish recipes
#3 is the one I am talking about. I bought the vital wheat gluten (that stuff is NOT cheap). Now the way I will be changing things up though is making the seitan with a mixture of guinness, veggie broth, soy sauce, steak sauce,and garlic. I will put the dry spices in the wheat gluten; majoram, rosemerry, thyme,sage, salt and pepper, and some pickling spices(that's what gives corn beef that flavor i like it's just pickled meat). So I would spend an hour making the seitan and then stick it in a bowl and let it sit in all the tastiness all night. Next day cook the veggies in a separate set of juice (same sauce minus the steak and soy sauce) in a slow cooker. At night at dinner I would finally cook the stew according mostly to that recipe. I just added the extra steps of preparing the seitan and slow cooking veggies.

 

[Maya3]

Here I found all these

Vegetarian and Vegan Irish Recipes for St. Patrick's Day - Meatless Irish Recipes - Vegetarian Saint Patrick's Day - Vegan Irish recipes
#3 is the one I am talking about. I bought the vital wheat gluten (that stuff is NOT cheap). Now the way I will be changing things up though is making the seitan with a mixture of guinness, veggie broth, soy sauce, steak sauce,and garlic. I will put the dry spices in the wheat gluten; majoram, rosemerry, thyme,sage, salt and pepper, and some pickling spices(that's what gives corn beef that flavor i like it's just pickled meat). So I would spend an hour making the seitan and then stick it in a bowl and let it sit in all the tastiness all night. Next day cook the veggies in a separate set of juice (same sauce minus the steak and soy sauce) in a slow cooker. At night at dinner I would finally cook the stew according mostly to that recipe. I just added the extra steps of preparing the seitan and slow cooking veggies.

Awesome, thank you! And happy St Patrick's Day!
Guiness is a beer right? It comes out very good in cooking. My mom used to have a secret waffle recipe with beer in it. The waffles came out extry crispy.

Maya

 

[Kalidas]

Yes maya Guinness is a beer(its actually a Lager). So everything came out fine so far. I helped my mother in law do the veggies and season the meat. I didn't even have to touch it!

I will post a picture of my seitan... it looks SUPER.

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

In my family the only meats we eat are Lamb, seafood and poultry, and my mother says that as long as your heart is clean, Bhagavaan does not care about your stomach.
We have never cooked beef or pork in our house, being from Fiji, seafood is our main source of animal product next in line is chicken.

As for cooking for visitors, it depends on who comes over, meat for those who eat and veggies for those who don't, but the only strict rule is that we have different pans/utensils ect for veggies and different pans ect for meats, never cook meat in pans for veggies, and we have a separate set altogether for when the Purohita comes over and for cooking Prasad ect, we even have a portable gas stove specifically used for the puja times only.

In the past year i have completely stopped Beef, Pork and Poultry (eggs still going), working on the Lamb and seafood.
As my fathers family are traditionally Ram Bhaktas, we have vegetarian Tuesdays, and obviously during Diwali, Holi, Ramnowmi, KrishnaAshtami we are complete vegetarians.

 

[Poeticus]

In my family the only meats we eat are Lamb, seafood and poultry

Not my parents (who are vegetarians),
but me -- yes to the above, Satya.​

And, did you know that many Hindus throughout the world, not just in India,
eat meat? Like, lots and lots of them? In many Indian states, for example,
many Hindus, such as Hindus in Bihar, have a staple dish that is a chicken dish,
similar to the staple fish dishes in various Southern, Indian states. Even the
Hindus in Bali eat meat. And yet, they proudly call themselves Hindus, as they
should.​

IMHO, what my brothers and sisters in dharma put into their stomachs should
be the last of my worries; in fact, it shouldn't, and is not, a worry for me at
all. What concerns me, however, is when various misconstruing is done for the
consumption of beef, by stating that since Ancient Hindus ate it, we can as
well, to which I usually state: sure you can, but it has to be through a specific
yagya, dedicated to a specific God, which lacks seasonings and cuisine-like
features of what would tantamount today as a "savory dish".

Wherein, the consumption of beef for "savory" terms is looked down upon.
Or, was that injunction for just that yuga? And, all meat eating is now to be
barred? Confused. Please help, por favor.​

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

Wherein, the consumption of beef for "savory" terms is looked down upon.
Or, was that injunction for just that yuga? And, all meat eating is now to be
barred? Confused. Please help, por favor.​

That's what nAradmuni says in the bhAgavatam, here is what an ISKCONite site (bhaktivedAnta vedabase) says:

ete tvam sampratikshante
smaranto vaisasam tava
samparetam ayah-kutais
chindanty utthita-manyavah

SYNONYMS

ete -- all of them; tvam -- you; sampratikshante -- are awaiting; smarantah -- remembering; vaisasam -- injuries; tava -- of you; samparetam -- after your death; ayah -- made of iron; kutaih -- by the horns; chindanti -- pierce; utthita -- enlivened; manyavah -- anger.

TRANSLATION

All these animals are awaiting your death so that they can avenge the injuries you have inflicted upon them. After you die, they will angrily pierce your body with iron horns.

PURPORT

Narada Muni wanted to draw King Pracinabarhishat's attention to the excesses of killing animals in sacrifices. It is said in the sastras that by killing animals in a sacrifice, one immediately promotes them to human birth. Similarly, by killing their enemies on a battlefield, the kshatriyas who fight for a right cause are elevated to the heavenly planets after death. In Manu-samhita it is stated that it is necessary for a king to execute a murderer so that the murderer will not suffer for his criminal actions in his next life. On the basis of such understanding, Narada Muni warns the King that the animals killed in sacrifices by the King await him at his death in order to avenge themselves. Narada Muni is not contradicting himself here. Narada Muni wanted to convince the King that overindulgence in animal sacrifice is risky because as soon as there is a small discrepancy in the execution of such a sacrifice, the slaughtered animal may not be promoted to a human form of life. Consequently, the person performing sacrifice will be responsible for the death of the animal, just as much as a murderer is responsible for killing another man. When animals are killed in a slaughterhouse, six people connected with the killing are responsible for the murder. The person who gives permission for the killing, the person who kills, the person who helps, the person who purchases the meat, the person who cooks the flesh and the person who eats it, all become entangled in the killing. Narada Muni wanted to draw the King's attention to this fact. Thus animal-killing is not encouraged even in a sacrifice.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Guiness is a beer right?

One thing that is never done in India, wine or beer in food. I do not like even the cakes where this has been done. Though I have no problem with consuming liquor.

.. but the only strict rule is that we have different pans/utensils etc. for veggies and different pans ect for meats, ..

In my maternal grandfather's place, non-veg. cooking was done in separate utensils and out of the regular kitchen. Of course, no onion or garlic was ever used.

 

[Poeticus]

One thing that is never done in India, wine or beer in food. I do not like even the cakes where this has been done. Though I have no problem with consuming liquor.

If I recall correctly, various chefs in many Indian
restaurants perform a "sautéing" of certain dishes
with some type or form of wine. And, these dishes
are ethnic, Indian dishes, not Western-oriented,
even though they may be of recent origin. However,
it is quite tasty, Aup - I'll tell you that! ​

In regards to the OP, if I was in Kalidas' situation,
and we must truly look at it from his shoes, I would
have cooked meat for this event, even though I
just found out that everything went well for him
and he didn't have to do a whole lot. I still would
have - it was for his parents and his wife, right? And,
are not the Gods found at the feet of one's parents?*
______________
* rhetorical​

 

[Aupmanyav]

What concerns me, however, is when various misconstruing is done for the consumption of beef, by stating that since Ancient Hindus ate it, we can as well, to which I usually state: sure you can, but it has to be through a specific yagya, dedicated to a specific God, which lacks seasonings and cuisine-like features of what would tantamount today as a "savory dish".

Perhaps I talked about that in a previous post, I am sure that you know the Durvasa story, but I was talking about Vedic Aryans and not Hindus. And the mention is about sacrifice of a bull and not a cow.

How hypocritical of you, Paki...

Why? What is wrong if one person gave some advice to another about life? To accept or reject the advice is still that person's prerogative.

 

[Poeticus]

Perhaps I talked about that in a previous post, I am sure that you know the Durvasa story, but I was talking about Vedic Aryans and not Hindus. And the mention is about sacrifice of a bull and not a cow.

You do realize that the phrase, "Vedic Aryans" (which is rarely used
in Indological circles nowadays), is synonymous for "Ancient Hindus",
"Ancient Indians", the "Vedic peoples"...right? These are widely used
in mainstream Indology.​

 

[Aupmanyav]

However, it is quite tasty, Aup - I'll tell you that!

Tasty food can be prepared otherwise also.

A recipe from the Royal Kitchen of Jodhpur - Maharaja Umaid Singh of Jodhpur invited the Maharaja Ganga Singh of Bikaner. (Jodhpur and Bikaner princely houses are cousins, so there was a lot of going and coming). Umaid Singh wanted the food to be very tasty and called the Chef to tell this. Half-an-hour later, Umaid Singh called the Chef again and repeated the order. After another half-an-hour later, the Chef was called again. Exasperated, the Chef told the King 'Yes Sir, I understand that the dishes have to be tasty. All I have to do is to put another palm full of red-chillies in the stew'. As you know Rajasthanis/Marwaris are fond of chillies (unlike the Gujaratis ).

".. it was for his parents and his wife, right? And, are not the Gods found at the feet of one's parents?

Perfectly true and where the lady of the house is happy.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Vedic Aryans", "Vedic peoples"

There were Iranian-Aryans who accepted Zoroastrianism. They changed the common inheritance, but there is a lot still common.