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Cop Kills Unarmed Driver. Whom Do You Blame?

Whom do you blame?


  • Total voters
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
She was accused of shoplifting.
In the interaction with 2 cops, one shot & killed her.

The Fraternal Order Of Police says the shooting was justified.
What do you think?

For those interested, there are 2 videos to compare.
Then judge who should be blamed.
The first is from the cop's chief.
The 2nd is from a Forbes article....
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
She resisted arrest and advanced her vehicle towards an officer. She was not "unarmed" at that point. A car can be used as a deadly weapon. And because she was actively resisting, there was no way for the officers to know she was pregnant.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Cops will sit in front of a vehicle with the hopes the driver takes off so they can use deadly force. A better perspective would be by the passenger window. If this was a white woman driving, you'd see a different scenario.
Cops need more repercussions.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
My view....
The woman should've obeyed lawful orders by the cops.
She should've turned off the car, not drive into the cop.
The cops escalated the situation, which always increases
the risk of arrest, injury, & deadly force.
One cop made an obvious dangerous stupid mistake by
standing in front of her car, putting himself at risk.

A problem is that because she committed several wrongs,
& was likely a shoplifter, cop apologists will seize upon
this to justify the cops' escalating the situation, & recklessly
using one's body to block a car, thereby justifying killing her.
Cops either don't know how to safely handle such situtations,
or they prefer to escalate things.
 
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Heyo

Veteran Member
She was accused of shoplifting.
In the interaction with 2 cops, one shot & killed her.

The Fraternal Order Of Police says the shooting was justified.
What do you think?

For those interested, there are 2 videos to compare.
Then judge who should be blamed.
The first is from the cop's chief.
The 2nd is from a Forbes article....
Why is there anybody to blame? This was a legally assisted suicide.
 

Friend of Mara

Active Member
At the end of everything it is the cops fault that she is dead. We can go up the line of all the other preceding events and justifications for any number of things but at the end of it all the buck stopped with the man who pulled the trigger.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Why is there anybody to blame? This was a legally assisted suicide.
Because her death wouldn't have occurred
if either the cop or the driver behaved more
responsibly. By understanding what they
each did wrong, others could learn.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Cops will sit in front of a vehicle with the hopes the driver takes off so they can use deadly force. A better perspective would be by the passenger window. If this was a white woman driving, you'd see a different scenario.
Cops need more repercussions.
Cops kill white women too.
Even when they don't pose the threat of
hitting them with the car. But you don't
know of this because news media make a
big deal only when cops kill blacks. Cops
actually kill more whites than blacks.

Black cop murders white woman....
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Without the guns - within society - this mostly wouldn't occur in most other countries. Judge and jury - the cops greatest ally (being they are acting as such) - as to demanding they be the arbitraries of law (not knowing if anyone is guilty or not but acting as if they are). Just get rid of the guns!
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
My point is this cop intentionally sat in front of this vehicle with the hopes she would drive away and he made ZERO effort to get out of the way when the vehicle started moving.
It was premeditated and his plan came true.
 

Secret Chief

Veteran Member
Without the guns - within society - this mostly wouldn't occur in most other countries. Judge and jury - the cops greatest ally (being they are acting as such) - as to demanding they be the arbitraries of law (not knowing if anyone is guilty or not but acting as if they are). Just get rid of the guns!
Yes, the blame lies with American gun culture being sacrosanct. Tomorrow: "Cops shoot man for spitting out chewing gun." Just another statistic.
 

Secret Chief

Veteran Member
Cops actually kill more whites than blacks.
That could be deceptive, given that there is a white population of 204 million compared to a black population of 47 million.

If one takes this into account one sees, unsurprisingly, that the rate of police killing is more than double in regard to black people (5.7 per mill) than white (2.3).

- 2020 Census Illuminates Racial and Ethnic Composition of the Country

- Police shootings: rate by ethnicity U.S. 2023 | Statista
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
That could be deceptive, given that there is a white population of 204 million compared to a black population of 47 million.

If one takes this into account one sees, unsurprisingly, that the rate of police killing is more than double in regard to black people (5.7 per mill) than white (2.3).

- 2020 Census Illuminates Racial and Ethnic Composition of the Country

- Police shootings: rate by ethnicity U.S. 2023 | Statista
Which, taken together, gives two important insights:
1. There is systemic racism within the police force.
2. Not being of a minority doesn't save you from police misconduct.

And the second is important to get more white people as allies. Racism is not the only problem, not even the main problem, the problem is police training and culture. The racism aspect only distracts from the main problem.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
She was accused of shoplifting.
In the interaction with 2 cops, one shot & killed her.

The Fraternal Order Of Police says the shooting was justified.
What do you think?

For those interested, there are 2 videos to compare.
Then judge who should be blamed.
The first is from the cop's chief.
The 2nd is from a Forbes article....
So stupid all around! Completely unnecessary for the cop to shoot over a shoplifting accusation! And I thought the Left made it so that its ok to shoplift up to a certain amount now???
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
That could be deceptive, given that there is a white population of 204 million compared to a black population of 47 million.

If one takes this into account one sees, unsurprisingly, that the rate of police killing is more than double in regard to black people (5.7 per mill) than white (2.3).

- 2020 Census Illuminates Racial and Ethnic Composition of the Country

- Police shootings: rate by ethnicity U.S. 2023 | Statista
Black males commit nearly half of all murders in America even though they are 8% of the population. If anything, the stats show that cops are MORE LIKELY to kill a white man because there is not as much blow back! Frankly when cops shoot a white man people just assume that the victim was an idiot committing some crime! Most people don't even know the name of the last white man killed by cops! This was a pregnant black woman, that's why its national news more than the ridiculousness of the incident!
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
I think cops are altogether too ready to deploy guns in this kind of situation. They should never shoot at someone who is running (or driving) away unless there is an immediate threat to others. In this case, they knew the charge was shoplifting, they had no reason to believe that the woman was even armed and they had the description and number of the car. If she tries to drive away, get out of the way, let her go, and arrest her later.

I'll expand this a bit. I think the general approach is too aggressive in many cases. The intention seems to be to frighten the suspect. ""Get on the ground!" "Hands on your head!" All shouted while pointing guns. Doesn't that make the suspect think that if he makes the slightest wrong movement he will be shot? Doesn't that make some suspects try to run away?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That could be deceptive, given that there is a white population of 204 million compared to a black population of 47 million.
It is not only deceptive to deny that more whites
are killed by cops, it's dangerous. Why? By hiding
this fact, police brutality is seen as solely a "black
problem". This explains why there's so little reform
of policing.
Alas, liberals always object to posting this info.
It's just one of the ways they obstruct reform.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So stupid all around! Completely unnecessary for the cop to shoot over a shoplifting accusation! And I thought the Left made it so that its ok to shoplift up to a certain amount now???
The left is split on this, ie, allow petty thievery,
but also allow cops to abuse civil rights.
Go figure.
Note that conservatives are also an impediment
to police & justice reform.
 
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