COP29 - 1000 billion dollars

[Nimos]

Apparently from what I can figure out (pretty messy), this is what they are talking about that, the developed countries should pay/borrow/grant whatever the poorest countries yearly due to climate issues.

Im not an economist, but that is quite a lot of money and I have no clue where these come from, but I'm not really that concerned as to me it seems like there is an endless supply anyway when needed.

But it's very difficult to figure out whether this actually helps or not? Who makes sure that this money doesn't just end up in corruption etc. like most other money does?

It's not exactly like the news is filled with happy stories of how things are improving rather it seems to go the exact opposite way.

Does anyone here have more knowledge about these things and can shed some light on it?

Not pointing fingers as I know this can be complicated, but this is the emission from 2000 to 2022 and how much it has "improved":

Africa

930,042,600.00 t

1,416,626,600.00 t

+486,584,000.00 t

+52%

North America

7,100,392,000.00 t

6,279,689,000.00 t

-820,703,000.00 t

-12%

Middle East (GCP)

1,391,716,000.00 t

2,677,581,300.00 t

+1,285,865,300.00 t

+92%

Asia

9,328,854,000.00 t

21,772,347,000.00 t

+12,443,493,000.00 t

+133%

Europe

6,155,590,700.00 t

5,105,307,600.00 t

-1,050,283,100.00 t

-17%

World

25,501,286,000.00 t

37,149,786,000.00 t

+11,648,500,000.00 t

+46%

How on Earth are we going to do this, when the world is at a +46% increase?

 

[Stevicus]

Apparently from what I can figure out (pretty messy), this is what they are talking about that, the developed countries should pay/borrow/grant whatever the poorest countries yearly due to climate issues.

Im not an economist, but that is quite a lot of money and I have no clue where these come from, but I'm not really that concerned as to me it seems like there is an endless supply anyway when needed.

But it's very difficult to figure out whether this actually helps or not? Who makes sure that this money doesn't just end up in corruption etc. like most other money does?

It's not exactly like the news is filled with happy stories of how things are improving rather it seems to go the exact opposite way.

Does anyone here have more knowledge about these things and can shed some light on it?

Not pointing fingers as I know this can be complicated, but this is the emission from 2000 to 2022 and how much it has "improved":

Africa

930,042,600.00 t

1,416,626,600.00 t

+486,584,000.00 t

+52%

North America

7,100,392,000.00 t

6,279,689,000.00 t

-820,703,000.00 t

-12%

Middle East (GCP)

1,391,716,000.00 t

2,677,581,300.00 t

+1,285,865,300.00 t

+92%

Asia

9,328,854,000.00 t

21,772,347,000.00 t

+12,443,493,000.00 t

+133%

Europe

6,155,590,700.00 t

5,105,307,600.00 t

-1,050,283,100.00 t

-17%

World

25,501,286,000.00 t

37,149,786,000.00 t

+11,648,500,000.00 t

+46%

How on Earth are we going to do this, when the world is at a +46% increase?

Do you have a link for any of this?

 

[Nimos]

Do you have a link for any of this?

As I said it is a bit messy, but you can find it here.

5. How much money is needed?​

Trillions of dollars are needed to help lower-income states carry out the climate action needed, including transitioning away from fossil fuels in a way that protects peoples’ rights. Amnesty International and others in the climate justice movement are calling for a target of at least 1 trillion USD annually.

COP29: Your guide to the global climate summit

The emission data I found on a page that tracks that and just copy/pasted the data, which is why it looks a bit funky If you want the link let me know and Ill find it.

 

[wellwisher]

As I said it is a bit messy, but you can find it here.

5. How much money is needed?​

Trillions of dollars are needed to help lower-income states carry out the climate action needed, including transitioning away from fossil fuels in a way that protects peoples’ rights. Amnesty International and others in the climate justice movement are calling for a target of at least 1 trillion USD annually.

COP29: Your guide to the global climate summit

The emission data I found on a page that tracks that and just copy/pasted the data, which is why it looks a bit funky If you want the link let me know and Ill find it.

Climate change has finally morphed into what it has always war; fear mongering extortion racket. Even if that money was given, the over lords of these developing countries would rip it off, while giving finder's fees to those who help with the money laundering from the US.

The climate change is a version of reparations, where people from the present have to pay for the past, even if you did nothing. This scam may have worked if Harris had won, but it will not work with honest people in power. The USA is planning to drill and become the fossil fuel capital of the world, so prices can come down, world wide. The Climate Change law fare has destabilized the world.

The DNC has hatred Big Oil since I was a teen age liberal. They have tried all types of scams, over the past 50-60 years, to get big oil. Man made climate change almost worked, but without the DNC, to put their thumb on the scale, it may have expired.

Climate change is occurring, but it occurs every year. This is not unique to our times. Name me one year without a record? Plus, the weather events see being attributed to Climate change, are also being attributed to El Nino and La Niña. The latter have been around for at least 400 years, before the manmade scam was hatched. El Nino and La Niña allow us to witness climate change events wrongly attributed to man made. It is smoke and mirrors. No extortion money for you.

What are El Nino and La Nina?

 

[sayak83]

As I said it is a bit messy, but you can find it here.

5. How much money is needed?​

Trillions of dollars are needed to help lower-income states carry out the climate action needed, including transitioning away from fossil fuels in a way that protects peoples’ rights. Amnesty International and others in the climate justice movement are calling for a target of at least 1 trillion USD annually.

COP29: Your guide to the global climate summit

The emission data I found on a page that tracks that and just copy/pasted the data, which is why it looks a bit funky If you want the link let me know and Ill find it.

Amnesty is not very reliable. They are always saying exorbitant things on everything.

 

[Nimos]

Climate change is occurring, but it occurs every year. This is not unique to our times. Name me one year without a record?

But that is not exactly how it works. Looking at data it is 47 years ago since we had a temperature below average (0 degrees) from when we started to measure it.
Before that, it would happen regularly (talking lots of years here), but even when it was colder it wasn't as cold, degree-wise, as it is now when it gets hotter.

The Earth has natural temperature changes, but that does not take the human impact into account and also this was many years ago.

El Nino and La Niña allow us to witness climate change events wrongly attributed to man made. It is smoke and mirrors. No extortion money for you.

What are El Nino and La Nina?

Of course, they are not. They are well known. The problem is that La Nina doesn't seem to have the effect it should.

The UN's WMO now forecasts a 60% chance of La Nina around the end of the year. But despite its generally cooling effect, it will do little to slow the growing heat in the oceans that is alarming scientists, and 2024 could still be the hottest ever, experts say....

..."Even if a short-term cooling La Nina event does emerge, it will not change the long-term trajectory of rising global temperatures due to heat-trapping greenhouse gases in the atmosphere."...

..."In order for 2024 not to become the warmest on record, we need to see very significant landscape cooling for the remaining few months, which doesn't look likely at this stage," its director Carlo Buontempo said on Friday.

They have tried all types of scams, over the past 50-60 years, to get big oil. Man made climate change almost worked, but without the DNC, to put their thumb on the scale, it may have expired.

Im not a supporter of climate change being a scam. I don't think that so many scientists from so many different fields would be wrong, obviously how much of it is due to man-made issues might vary, but to think we have no impact I think is to be ignorant.
And also if we go with the idea that this is a scam, then obviously we in the rich countries would be scamming the poor ones and not the other way around.

 

[Nimos]

Amnesty is not very reliable. They are always saying exorbitant things on everything.

This is not only from them, it seems to be what they are debating, whether they will land on that number I have no clue, and also we might not pay them anyway, given that things don't always go as planned, it wouldn't be the first time

 

[sayak83]

This is not only from them, it seems to be what they are debating, whether they will land on that number I have no clue, and also we might not pay them anyway, given that things don't always go as planned, it wouldn't be the first time

With Trump in charge, US is likely to withdraw from COP. So the likelihood of anything of this sort actually being agreed to is zero.

 

[Nimos]

With Trump in charge, US is likely to withdraw from COP. So the likelihood of anything of this sort actually being agreed to is zero.

Agree, even if they sign it, I would imagine that Trump would redraw it instantly anyway or simply refuse to pay.