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Cornel West announces 2024 run for president as People’s Party candidate

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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Kind of supports my views there are Marxists vying for, and holding, positions in government.
He specifically refuses to identify with Marxism, apparently:

West has described himself as a "non-Marxist socialist" (partly because he does not view Marxism and Christianity as reconcilable)[89] and serves as honorary chairman of the Democratic Socialists of America, which he has described as "the first multiracial, socialist organization close enough to my politics that I could join."[16]

 

Stevicus

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He will be accused of helping the pubs by drawing votes away from the dems.
I hope there will also be a popular candidate on the right, independent or with a fourth party to even the playing field.

Well, the Pubs seem pretty divided themselves at present, so it should be interesting to see how this all plays out. I don't think Cornel West's candidacy will hurt the Dems more than the Trump-DeSantis rift is hurting the GOP.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I can concede that there are times when war may be unavoidable, although much of it is not so much about the fighting of wars, but the notion that we can or should control the affairs of other nations. An example of what I mean might be Afghanistan. For all intents and purposes, we won the war, but it didn't really mean much in the long run, because we could never really control them.
What was the objective?
To westernize Afghanistan? Please...it's impossible.
You can bring democracy to other Western countries, like Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy.
But not in a former sultanate.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Well, the Pubs seem pretty divided themselves at present, so it should be interesting to see how this all plays out. I don't think Cornel West's candidacy will hurt the Dems more than the Trump-DeSantis rift is hurting the GOP.
Depends on whether one of the two will run as independent if he loses the primary. Their bickering may hurt them in the polls but what counts is at the ballot box.
 

lewisnotmiller

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He will be accused of helping the pubs by drawing votes away from the dems.
I hope there will also be a popular candidate on the right, independent or with a fourth party to even the playing field.
Yeah...that was what I meant by my earlier comment around wishing the American system didn't result in that.

People might blame him for it, but it's a systemic issue.
 

exchemist

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Some might say he doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning, but I do like what he stands for. I don't even know if any People's Party candidates will even be on the ballot.
Will he wear his underpants outside his trousers and have an S emblazoned on his chest? :cool:

But more seriously, telling the "truth" about Ukraine and disbanding NATO.....?? That makes him sound like a Putin stooge - like Trump, ironically.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, I just take him at his word: “I have decided to run for truth and justice, which takes the form of running for President of the United States as a candidate for the People’s Party."

I also support truth and justice. Don't you?
Everyone supports "truth" & "justice". Mine are very
different from yours, so its obvious that the words
mean opposing things to different people.
His slogan akin to "Hope & change", "Make America
great again", & "Thousand points of light". Rousing
but vapid cheers, eh.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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In spite of a long horrible repeated history associated with socialism/communism, the mentality is essentially nobody did it right, but for some inexplicable reason they can.

He's not a Marxist-Leninist (so his views are different from those implemented in the USSR, Maoist China, Cuba, etc.), and his socialism isn't of a Marxist variety either. He's also definitely not a communist at all.

All of that is kind of a moot point, though, as I don't think he has any chance of winning the election.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Why? This is the first time I've ever heard of him, so I have no opinion about his platform. I'm curious what makes you think he would be bad.
I'd heard of him, but only as an actor.
So I searched the internet.
I won't be arguing with you over just what
flavor of Marxism he wants. But I do have
a presidential campaign song suggestion
for him.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
He's not a Marxist-Leninist (so his views are different from those implemented in the USSR, Maoist China, Cuba, etc.), and his socialism isn't of a Marxist variety either. He's also definitely not a communist at all.

All of that is kind of a moot point, though, as I don't think he has any chance of winning the election.
All socialism is Marxist/Leninism.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
With such terms having no clear definition
by those advocating such agendas, it would
be useful if West stated specific beliefs &
goals. Instead, we get a slogan.
I go by Britannica as well as the originators themselves as they put it.

 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I go by Britannica as well as the originators themselves as they put it.

You & I might be the only ones on RF
to accept such narrow definitions.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You must have missed @Stevicus' post.
You get policies and a slogan.
(Yes, the policies are also little more than slogans but you may want to dig deeper and find more.)
"True democracy"....a vague term with much room for mischief.
Lofty goals without any actual proffered policy changes.
I wonder what devils lurk in the details?
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I go by Britannica as well as the originators themselves as they put it.

Obviously not.

You said:
All socialism is Marxist/Leninism.

The article you linked to clarifies that Marxism/Leninism is a form of socialism.
Thus, all Marxism/Leninism is socialism but not all socialism is Marxism/Leninism.
 
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