Cornell University reports 900+ Covid-19 cases this week. Many in fully vaccinated students

[We Never Know]

In my opinion we still don't have a clue what or how with this virus. I'm not saying get or don't get the vaccine, its just odd this variant is hitting the vaccinated in high numbers which is why I said we still don't have a clue. .

Cornell University reports more than 900 Covid-19 cases this week. Many are Omicron variant cases in fully vaccinated students

(CNN)Cornell University reported 903 cases of Covid-19 among students between December 7-13, and a "very high percentage" of them are Omicron variant cases in fully vaccinated individuals, according to university officials.

The school's Covid-19 dashboard was updated late Tuesday afternoon, accounting for the jump in case numbers reported.

"Virtually every case of the Omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot," said Vice President for University Relations Joel Malina in a statement.

Cornell University Covid cases: More than 900 Covid-19 cases reported this week, many are Omicron variant cases in fully vaccinated students - CNN

 

[We Never Know]

Isnt this kind of odd? One would think it would be the unvaxxed getting infected.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Isnt this kind of odd? One would think it would be the unvaxxed getting infected.

How many unvaccinated people do you think are on the Cornell campus?

They have a vaccine mandate for on-campus students and staff. The only unvaccinated people on campus are those with medical (edit: or religious) exemptions... and there aren't many of them.

Your question is a lot like asking whether it's odd that most vehicle occupants who die in car crashes were wearing seatbelts without recognizing that the vast majority of vehicle occupants generally wear seatbelts.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Isnt this kind of odd? One would think it would be the unvaxxed getting infected.

That's what I was under the impression as well.

Do you suppose the incredible well advertised effectiveness of vaccination has been hyped up to a point of lunacy?

 

[We Never Know]

How many unvaccinated people do you think are on the Cornell campus?

They have a vaccine mandate for on-campus students and staff. The only unvaccinated people on campus are those with medical (edit: or religious) exemptions... and there aren't many of them.

Your question is a lot like asking whether it's odd that most vehicle occupants who die in car crashes were wearing seatbelts without recognizing that the vast majority of vehicle occupants generally wear seatbelts.

Thats the point of my sarcastic question.. With around 98% vaxxed, it doesn't seem to matter.

 

[Revoltingest]

Isnt this kind of odd? One would think it would be the unvaxxed getting infected.

There's nothing odd at all. Vaccines don't (generally)
prevent infection. They make severe effects far less likely.
Also (with some disagreement in studies I've seen) they
also lessen viral load & transmission.
From the link...
"As of result, the school has decided to shut down its Ithaca, New York, campus, where it has about 25,600 students. Cornell's overall vaccination rate among students is 97%."

With the vast majority being vaccinated, one would expect
that new infections would be mostly in vaccinated people.

Useful info...
COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Thats the point of my sarcastic question.. With around 98% vaxxed, it doesn't seem to matter.

How do you figure?

AFAIK, Cornell hasn't said what the case rate is for their remaining unvaccinated students, which is the number you'd need to reach that conclusion reasonably.

 

[We Never Know]

How do you figure?

AFAIK, Cornell hasn't said what the case rate is for their remaining unvaccinated students, which is the number you'd need to reach that conclusion reasonably.

Did you miss this part...

""Virtually every case of the Omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot,"

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There's nothing odd at all. Vaccines don't (generally)
prevent infection. They make severe effects far less likely.

But they often do prevent infection.
The COVID vaccines drastically reduce transmission rates.

The Ontario Science Table does a good job with clear graphs showing the difference in risk - I'm sure the relative difference is similar in the US. The case rate for vaccinated people is less than a third of what it is for vaccinated people.

Ontario Dashboard - Ontario COVID-19 Science Advisory Table

I'm not sure how much of an intuitive sense @We Never Know or @Twilight Hue have for the math involved, but if the same case rate relationship holds for Cornell - i.e that vaccinated people contract COVID at 28% of the rate of unvaccinated people - then with their vaccination rate of 97%, we would expect that new COVID cases would be 90% in fully vaccinated people.

... and this would be a sign that the vaccine is very effective - like about 70% effective - at preventing a vaccinated person from contracting COVID.

Edit: though all that assumes that everything else is equal between the vaccinated and unvaccinated students. Turns out Cornell has less stringent public health standards for vaccinated students than it does for vaccinated students: Student Public Health Requirements | COVID-19 Response | Cornell University

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Did you miss this part...

""Virtually every case of the Omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot,"

No, I didn't.

What percentage is "virtually every"?

 

[We Never Know]

No, I didn't.

What percentage is "virtually every"?

You would have to ask Cornell that. However I can offer you a definition fir virtually.

1a : almost entirely : nearly The project is virtually complete. Virtually every applicant was overqualified for the job.
b : for all practical purposes She was virtually unknown prior to starring in the film. It is virtually impossible to know the truth of the matter.

Definition of VIRTUALLY.

 

[Revoltingest]

But they often do prevent infection.
The COVID vaccines drastically reduce transmission rates.

The Ontario Science Table does a good job with clear graphs showing the difference in risk - I'm sure the relative difference is similar in the US. The case rate for vaccinated people is less than a third of what it is for vaccinated people.

Ontario Dashboard - Ontario COVID-19 Science Advisory Table

I'm not sure how much of an intuitive sense @We Never Know or @Twilight Hue have for the math involved, but if the same case rate relationship holds for Cornell - i.e that vaccinated people contract COVID at 28% of the rate of unvaccinated people - then with their vaccination rate of 97%, we would expect that new COVID cases would be 90% in fully vaccinated people.

... and this would be a sign that the vaccine is very effective - like about 70% effective - at preventing a vaccinated person from contracting COVID.

Edit: though all that assumes that everything else is equal between the vaccinated and unvaccinated students. Turns out Cornell has less stringent public health standards for vaccinated students than it does for vaccinated students: Student Public Health Requirements | COVID-19 Response | Cornell University

I notice that anti-vaxers are not inclined to applying
quantitative analysis to decision making, particularly
when the issue is politically tribal. Citing probability
of effects is ineffective against anecdotes & factoids
that confirm bias.

And just who is an "anti-vaxer"?
As I observe, most say they aren't....they only support
the choice to not vaccinate. But what makes them of
that type (IMO) is...
- Supporting or arguing for not vaccinating.
- Citing benefits of people dying from Covid 19.
(Saw that recently...$ saved by deaths of the elderly.)
- Proffering facts that feed anti-vax bias, eg, that
some people have bad side effects from vaccines.
To say this without balancing the far more common
severe effects of Covid 19 is prevarication.
- Pushing conspiracy theories about vaccination.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You would have to ask Cornell that.

I'm asking the person who said that vaccination "doesn't seem to matter."

It seems you either:

- had something to back this statement up (and if so, can tell us what that is).

- pulled it out of your butt without anything to back it up at all.

- leaped to some unjustified conclusions based on a random reporter's word choice.

Which should we assume happened?

 

[We Never Know]

I'm asking the person who said that vaccination "doesn't seem to matter."

It seems you either:

- had something to back this statement up (and if so, can tell us what that is).

- pulled it out of your butt without anything to back it up at all.

- leaped to some unjustified conclusions based on a random reporter's word choice.

Which should we assume happened?

GG! . Over 900 cases with virtually every case in vaccinated people, some even with boosters. If you can't understand that you must be in denial or just don't like the reality of it.

 

[We Never Know]

I notice that anti-vaxers are not inclined to applying
quantitative analysis to decision making, particularly
when the issue is politically tribal. Citing probability
of effects is ineffective against anecdotes & factoids
that confirm bias.

You have no clue who isn't vaccinated. Several who are vaccinated keep it themselves.

 

[Revoltingest]

You have no clue who isn't vaccinated. Several who are vaccinated keep it themselves.

I go by what people tell me about themselves.
This is more than mere "clue".
And I pay attention to their given reasoning.
It is what it is.

One might say that you've no clue about what I know.
But I wouldn't say such a thing.

 

[Kenny]

Isnt this kind of odd? One would think it would be the unvaxxed getting infected.

I would suppose that those who have had Covid are better protected. It would be interesting to find out how many Omicron patients had Covid before.

 

[We Never Know]

I go by what people tell me about themselves.
This is more than mere "clue".
And I pay attention to their given reasoning.
It is what it is.



One might say that you've no clue about what I know.
But I wouldn't say such a thing.

One might say that you've no clue about what I think you know or don't know other than who might be vaccinated and haven't yet said so.

As the saying goes. .

I know you think you understood what I said. but what I said is not what you think I said when I said it. What I meant to say is what you thought I would only say if you thought I would say what I am trying to say. so what I am really trying to say is think about what I said and not what you think I said or thought I would say.
Do you know what I'm saying?

 

[Revoltingest]

One might say that you've no clue about what I think you know or don't know other than who might be vaccinated and haven't yet said so.

As the saying goes. .

I know you think you understood what I said. but what I said is not what you think I said when I said it. What I meant to say is what you thought I would only say if you thought I would say what I am trying to say. so what I am really trying to say is think about what I said and not what you think I said or thought I would say.
Do you know what I'm saying?

I read your posts.
Many have facts suggesting vaccination isn't useful.
But they lack facts about vaccine efficacy.
(This thread is one example.)
I glean what your posts mean from this, ie,
painting a picture that discourages vaccination.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would suppose that those who have had Covid are better protected. It would be interesting to find out how many Omicron patients had Covid before.

I recommend getting vaccinated even after infection.
Ref...
Should I get a COVID-19 vaccine if I've already had COVID-19? - Mayo Clinic
Johns Hopkins will say the same thing.
(They're my favorite source cuz of personal experience with them.)