Cornell University reports 900+ Covid-19 cases this week. Many in fully vaccinated students

[We Never Know]

I would suppose that those who have had Covid are better protected. It would be interesting to find out how many Omicron patients had Covid before.

I don't know about that. At Cornell with a vax rate around 97-98%, over 900 new cases and virtually all omicron cases are in vaccinated people even some with boosters. The vaccine isn't a golden shield that keeps people from getting it or spreading it.

It wouldn't be a bad thing if more unvaccinated got vaxxed and the already vaxxed come to the realization they can still get it and spread it like the unvaxxed.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't know about that. At Cornell with a vax rate around 97-98%, over 900 new cases and virtually all omicron cases are in vaccinated people even some with boosters. The vaccine isn't a golden shield that keeps people from getting it or spreading it.

It wouldn't be a bad thing if more unvaccinated got vaxxed and the already vaxxed come to the realization they can still get it and spread it like the unvaxxed.

As is oft said, vaccines are good, but still wear masks.
The best source of all says so...Menards.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

GG! . Over 900 cases with virtually every case in vaccinated people, some even with boosters. If you can't understand that you must be in denial or just don't like the reality of it.

You seem to be placing a lot of stock in the assumption that your understanding of the word "virtually" matches the understanding of some random reporter.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I would suppose that those who have had Covid are better protected. It would be interesting to find out how many Omicron patients had Covid before.

Those who have had COVID and are unvaccinated are certaibly much less protected than those who have had COVID and got their shots.

 

[We Never Know]

I read your posts.
Many have facts suggesting vaccination isn't useful.
But they lack facts about vaccine efficacy.
(This thread is one example.)
I glean what your posts mean from this, ie,
painting a picture that discourages vaccination.

The point is....

At Cornell with a vax rate around 97-98%, over 900 new cases and virtually all cases are in vaccinated people even some with boosters.

It wouldn't be a bad thing if more unvaccinated got vaxxed and the already vaxxed come to the realization they can still get it and spread it like the unvaxxed.

 

[Revoltingest]

The point is....

At Cornell with a vax rate around 97-98%, over 900 new cases and virtually all cases are in vaccinated people even some with boosters.

It wouldn't be a bad thing if more unvaccinated got vaxxed and the already vaxxed come to the realization they can still get it and spread it like the unvaxxed.

Better.
To everyone, vaxed or not....
Wear masks & avoid crowds....all you filthy animals!

 

[We Never Know]

You seem to be placing a lot of stock in the assumption that your understanding of the word "virtually" matches the understanding of some random reporter.

Sure. Thats all from just some random reporter lol. If thats what you want to believe, then by all means believe it.

By the way..here is that random reporter..

Carolyn Crist is a Georgia-based journalist specializing in health, medicine, business, and education. In addition to WebMD, she contributes regularly to other news outlets and websites. Credits include Reuters, Psychology Today, AARP, U.S. News & World Report, and Wired. Previously, she was a newspaper staff reporter. She holds a master’s degree in health and medical journalism and a bachelor’s degree in journalism from the University of Georgia, where she now teaches journalism classes as a part-time instructor.

Cornell University Reports 930 COVID Cases, Including Omicron Variant

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Sure. Thats all from just some random reporter lol. If thats what you want to believe, then by all means believe it.

By the way..here is that random reporter..

Carolyn Crist is a Georgia-based journalist specializing in health, medicine, business, and education. In addition to WebMD, she contributes regularly to other news outlets and websites. Credits include Reuters, Psychology Today, AARP, U.S. News & World Report, and Wired. Previously, she was a newspaper staff reporter. She holds a master’s degree in health and medical journalism and a bachelor’s degree in journalism from the University of Georgia, where she now teaches journalism classes as a part-time instructor.

Cornell University Reports 930 COVID Cases, Including Omicron Variant

Is there anything in there that says how close to 100% she'd need to be before she'd describe it as "virtually all"?

Edit: any reason why you won't give the actual percentage (other than that you just don't know it, of course)?

 

[We Never Know]

Is there anything in there that says how close to 100% she'd need to be before she'd describe it as "virtually all"?

Edit: any reason why you won't give the actual percentage (other than that you just don't know it, of course)?

Not one article mentions "%". However they all state of the 900+ new cases, "virtually all" are in the vaccinated.

I can understand that without needing a "%". However if you can't then might I suggest you try to find the "%", if its mentioned anywhere and compare it to "virtually all" and let me know how it works out.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Not one article mentions "%". However they all state of the 900+ new cases, "virtually all" are in the vaccinated.

It doesn't say that, actually. Read the quote again.

Virtually every case of the Omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot.

It doesn't say that only vaccinated people are getting infected; it says that the infections they're seeing in unvaccinated people are variants other than Omicron.

 

[We Never Know]

Posted this yesterday and it was removed without any explanation. So I thought I would repost it. The first link is from WHO and the second from them CDC so I don't know why it was removed.

What confuses me is.. In my opinion the vaccine isn't "training" the immune system very well if we have to keep getting boosters. Some will argue its because of variants but the boosters are the sane formulations as the vaccine.
So people are getting shots of the same original vaccine formulation for a booster

"Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease but – crucially – vaccines work without making us sick."

Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Herd immunity, lockdowns and COVID-19.

"COVID-19 booster shots are the same formulation as the current COVID-19 vaccines. However, in the case of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine booster shot, it is half the dose of the vaccine people get for their primary series."

COVID-19 Booster Shot.

 

[metis]

What confuses me is.. In my opinion the vaccine isn't "training" the immune system very well if we have to keep getting boosters. Some will argue its because of variants but the boosters are the sane formulations as the vaccine.
So people are getting shots of the same original vaccine formulation for a booster

Sometimes vaccines are not an exact match since viruses mutate. However, there's still a better chance that one might better fight a variant virus nevertheless.

 

[We Never Know]

Sometimes vaccines are not an exact match since viruses mutate. However, there's still a better chance that one might better fight a variant virus nevertheless.

Being the vaccine and the boosters are the same formulation, won't your immune system create the same "antibodies" with each shot.

However your immune system should be able to create those antibodies naturally after the vaccine. Thats the point of the vacinne, to get your immune system to identify the virus an then naturally create antibodies to fight it.

 

[metis]

Being the vaccine and the boosters are the same formulation, won't your immune system create the same "antibodies" with each shot.

The three vaccines used here in the States are not identical, but the Pfizer and Moderna are the most effective. Remember that they don't have to be an 100% match in order to work.

However your immune system should be able to create those antibodies naturally after the vaccine. Thats the point of the vacinne, to get your immune system to identify the virus an then naturally create antibodies to fight it.

Yes.

 

[We Never Know]

The three vaccines used here in the States are not identical, but the Pfizer and Moderna are the most effective. Remember that they don't have to be an 100% match in order to work.

Yes.

I didn't say the three vaccines are the same. Two are mRNA vaccine and one isnt.

However the boosters are the same formulation as the vacinne.

COVID-19 booster shots are the same formulation as the current COVID-19 vaccines. However, in the case of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine booster shot, it is half the dose of the vaccine people get for their primary series."

COVID-19 Booster Shot.

 

[metis]

However the boosters are the same formulation as the vacinne.

Yes.

The CEO of Pfizer says they are already working on an adjustment for a possible new booster that should counter omicron possibly as early as spring.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes.

The CEO of Pfizer says they are already working on an adjustment for a possible new booster that should counter omicron possibly as early as spring.

If you've already been vaccinated, your immune system is now aware of the virus and should be able to naturally make antibodies to the virus if yiu get it right?.

If the boosters are the same formulation, how are they "training" your immune system anymore than what the vaccine did.

In my opinion they aren't. To my understanding the boosters are supposedly to get you to build up antibodies in case you get the virus. Yet which because you've been vaccinated your immune system should already be ready for and be able to produce.

Edit. Example.. If I took the flu vaccine in November, I wont need a booster in February.

I don't think these required boosters either...
SARS-CoV Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)
MERS-CoV Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)

 

[metis]

If you've already been vaccinated, your immune system is now aware of the virus and should be able to naturally make antibodies to the virus if yiu get it right?.

Yep.

If the boosters are the same formulation, how are they "training" your immune system anymore than what the vaccine did.

Because antibodies tend to dissipate over time, and this is partially determined also by your state of health. At 76, I jumped on the booster as my wife did as fast as it was available. One study found that some people had 0 antibodies after 9 months.

However, we also have what are called "memory cells" that help the body to react to a new infection. But with those of us who are elderly and/or have immunity issues like my wife has, it could take the body too long to produce the new antibodies that one needs, thus the booster was for us a must.

 

[We Never Know]

Yep.

Because antibodies tend to dissipate over time, and this is partially determined also by your state of health. At 76, I jumped on the booster as my wife did as fast as it was available. One study found that some people had 0 antibodies after 9 months.

However, we also have what are called "memory cells" that help the body to react to a new infection. But with those of us who are elderly and/or have immunity issues like my wife has, it could take the body too long to produce the new antibodies that one needs, thus the booster was for us a must.

Yes antibodies tend to dissipate over time which is why the vaccine trains your immune system so it can react and produce them when needed.
In my opinion for whatever reason once the antibodies dissipates from the vaccine, you need another shot to get the antibodies again(I would think they will be the same antibodies from then vaccine and booster being they are the same formulation).
So why isnt the body's immune system capable of producing them without another shot?

As for as someone being immunocompromised for health or age reasons, they may need another shot. It seems another shot is going to be an ongoing thing.

 

[We Never Know]

Yep.

Because antibodies tend to dissipate over time, and this is partially determined also by your state of health. At 76, I jumped on the booster as my wife did as fast as it was available. One study found that some people had 0 antibodies after 9 months.

However, we also have what are called "memory cells" that help the body to react to a new infection. But with those of us who are elderly and/or have immunity issues like my wife has, it could take the body too long to produce the new antibodies that one needs, thus the booster was for us a must.

Btw I have to run. Thanks for the chat. Its nice when people can actually discuss something without it going into politics, conspiracy theories or other BS.