Could Women Be Misogynistic?

[DallasApple]

Sure, I've known plenty of women who 1. hate being women and 2. hate other women. I knew a few of them while I was serving in the Navy. I should say they hated feminine women (so they said). I didn't really hang around with them so I never got any insight into it.

Christine ES ..

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

I don't think so. I don't feel inferior to males, but I believe in traditional gender roles.

Men and women are equal in status, but different. I'd rather not be masculine.

So you think all women are the same and we should all adhere to traditional gender roles? And what traditional gender roles from which culture and era should all women adhere to?

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Even tradition varies and changes with time, duh!

 

[Willamena]

Recently, I have been thinking about possible explanations for why some women seem to think of women as inferior to men in different aspects, such as intelligence, ability to employ logical reasoning in different situations, and working outside the household, among other things. I've also been wondering about possible reasons for some women's support of misogynistic laws and institutional gender-based discrimination in society, as well as their resistance to any attempts to change the status quo.

Do you think some women could be genuinely misogynistic? That is, could they be actively biased against their own gender out of hatred or contempt rather than positive intentions that are merely misguided? And if so, then what do you think are possible explanations for such bias?

It seems to me that this actively proposes that we should equate working in the home, a non-logical ability to reason, and an inability to learn, with misogynism.

I don't.

 

[Me Myself]

Recently, I have been thinking about possible explanations for why some women seem to think of women as inferior to men in different aspects, such as intelligence, ability to employ logical reasoning in different situations, and working outside the household, among other things. I've also been wondering about possible reasons for some women's support of misogynistic laws and institutional gender-based discrimination in society, as well as their resistance to any attempts to change the status quo.

Do you think some women could be genuinely misogynistic? That is, could they be actively biased against their own gender out of hatred or contempt rather than positive intentions that are merely misguided? And if so, then what do you think are possible explanations for such bias?

Sure, and men mysandric.

You'll find all kind of weird irrational hates in humans.

My first association with the title thread was the **** shaming, and I truly doub they get how hateful they are being to themselves when they pass such kind of negative judgement upon other women.

Its sad

 

[dawny0826]

Recently, I have been thinking about possible explanations for why some women seem to think of women as inferior to men in different aspects, such as intelligence, ability to employ logical reasoning in different situations, and working outside the household, among other things. I've also been wondering about possible reasons for some women's support of misogynistic laws and institutional gender-based discrimination in society, as well as their resistance to any attempts to change the status quo.

Do you think some women could be genuinely misogynistic? That is, could they be actively biased against their own gender out of hatred or contempt rather than positive intentions that are merely misguided? And if so, then what do you think are possible explanations for such bias?

I think part of the inferiority is attributable to programming, years of "entrapment" of sorts under patriarchal constructs. There are women who willfully submit themselves to unhealthy situations and I believe that these women have very poor self esteem, are likely depressed.

But, there are women who are quite happy in marriages, relationships and other constructs that many feminists look at in disdain.

I don't believe that everything that we label to be "misogyny" and "misandry" is genuine on either account.

In example, a woman who objects to certain dress or expression doesn't necessarily hate other women. I think unfairly, the so called prudes in this world are labeled as misogynists. Their views and actions may be construed as misogynist views and action, but unless they purposefully intend hatred or unkindness, it's challenging to contend that such women hate other women.

It's not exactly a black and white issue. I think there could be a great many reasons as to why a woman wouldn't support a particular piece of legislation. Her religious beliefs? Her political affiliation? Her personal experiences?

I think that more often women who are unkind to other women have self esteem issues. It's easy to project unkindness or to even fear something when it makes you feel insecure and makes you look inward and examine something about yourself that might be troubling.

I think that women struggle with themselves, internally, with a greater ferocity than they do women-kind, in general.

If you want to understand a woman's bias, get to know the mind of that woman.

 

[Me Myself]

I think part of the inferiority is attributable to programming, years of "entrapment" of sorts under patriarchal constructs. There are women who willfully submit themselves to unhealthy situations and I believe that these women have very poor self esteem, are likely depressed.

But, there are women who are quite happy in marriages, relationships and other constructs that many feminists look at in disdain.

I don't believe that everything that we label to be "misogyny" and "misandry" is genuine on either account.

In example, a woman who objects to certain dress or expression doesn't necessarily hate other women. I think unfairly, the so called prudes in this world are labeled as misogynists. Their views and actions may be construed as misogynist views and action, but unless they purposefully intend hatred or unkindness, it's challenging to contend that such women hate other women.

It's not exactly a black and white issue. I think there could be a great many reasons as to why a woman wouldn't support a particular piece of legislation. Her religious beliefs? Her political affiliation? Her personal experiences?

I think that more often women who are unkind to other women have self esteem issues. It's easy to project unkindness or to even fear something when it makes you feel insecure and makes you look inward and examine something about yourself that might be troubling.

I think that women struggle with themselves, internally, with a greater ferocity than they do women-kind, in general.

If you want to understand a woman's bias, get to know the mind of that woman.

Sounds very reasonable to me. Things are rarely as simple to blanket state.

 

[StarryNightshade]

If humans in general can be self-hating or misanthropic, then I suppose women could very well be misogynistic. Just like I'm sure there are men who are misandric.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

If humans in general can be self-hating or misanthropic, then I suppose women could very well be misogynistic. Just like I'm sure there are men who are misandric.

This. Anyone can be self hating. I know my mother for example carries severla mysogynistic beliefs such as the women obeying men and their place being at home. Though those are religiously motivated however.

 

[Debater Slayer]

It seems to me that this actively proposes that we should equate working in the home, a non-logical ability to reason, and an inability to learn, with misogynism.

I don't.

That's not what I was getting at. I'm specifically talking about women who think members of their gender are generally illogical, unable to compete with men in education, and are only supposed to stay at home and to never work outside it.

I realize that there are women who willfully choose not to work outside the household without coercion from anyone, which is why I don't think that should be automatically equated to misogyny.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I think part of the inferiority is attributable to programming, years of "entrapment" of sorts under patriarchal constructs. There are women who willfully submit themselves to unhealthy situations and I believe that these women have very poor self esteem, are likely depressed.

But, there are women who are quite happy in marriages, relationships and other constructs that many feminists look at in disdain.

I don't believe that everything that we label to be "misogyny" and "misandry" is genuine on either account.

In example, a woman who objects to certain dress or expression doesn't necessarily hate other women. I think unfairly, the so called prudes in this world are labeled as misogynists. Their views and actions may be construed as misogynist views and action, but unless they purposefully intend hatred or unkindness, it's challenging to contend that such women hate other women.

It's not exactly a black and white issue. I think there could be a great many reasons as to why a woman wouldn't support a particular piece of legislation. Her religious beliefs? Her political affiliation? Her personal experiences?

I think that more often women who are unkind to other women have self esteem issues. It's easy to project unkindness or to even fear something when it makes you feel insecure and makes you look inward and examine something about yourself that might be troubling.

I think that women struggle with themselves, internally, with a greater ferocity than they do women-kind, in general.

If you want to understand a woman's bias, get to know the mind of that woman.

Very interesting. Thanks for the detailed post.

If I understand you correctly, do you think a woman's religious and/or political beliefs can be perceived as misogynistic but the woman herself may not be? In other words, is it possible for a woman who doesn't mean to be unkind or hateful to other women to have religious or political beliefs that view them as inferior, albeit not necessarily out of hatred for them?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Yesterday, I met a pregnant woman who was very hopeful that she would have a boy. Not because she just generally loves boys. And not because she already has a girl (she has a 7 year old son), but because girls are "horrible", "difficult", "moody", and "bratty." She followed up with how boys are so much easier than girls in every way, and how she was rotten growing up because she herself is/was so "moody" and "bratty" and how her mother had such a hard time with her as opposed to her brother.

So my answer is yes. Women can be misogynistic.

 

[dawny0826]

Very interesting. Thanks for the detailed post.

If I understand you correctly, do you think a woman's religious and/or political beliefs can be perceived as misogynistic but the woman herself may not be? In other words, is it possible for a woman who doesn't mean to be unkind or hateful to other women to have religious or political beliefs that view them as inferior, albeit not necessarily out of hatred for them?

Yes. I don't always agree with others when they choose to use misogynistic and misandrist labeling.

I do believe that a woman can act in a way that can be perceived by others as hateful and with intent to oppress and harm - but it's not her feeling or intention at all.

 

[dawny0826]

Yesterday, I met a pregnant woman who was very hopeful that she would have a boy. Not because she just generally loves boys. And not because she already has a girl (she has a 7 year old son), but because girls are "horrible", "difficult", "moody", and "bratty." She followed up with how boys are so much easier than girls in every way, and how she was rotten growing up because she herself is/was so "moody" and "bratty" and how her mother had such a hard time with her as opposed to her brother.

So my answer is yes. Women can be misogynistic.

I've heard the same thing from women and didn't feel that such commentary warranted such labeling, though.

In her experiences little girls may matched those descriptions. How do you know that she would LOATHE a daughter if she birthed a daughter and continue to harbor such feelings?

You only know that her expriences with little girls have been unpleasant in comparison to her experiences with little boys and perhaps she shared these feelings in exaggerated fashion. Are you so confident that you know her inner mind?

To be a true misogynist wouldn't she also hate herself and other women as well?

There are some terrible, bratty, little girls in this world. Are we coming to the point where if we so much as share our negate experiences with girls, we're misogynists?

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

I've heard the same thing from women and didn't feel that such commentary warranted such labeling, though.

In her experiences little girls may matched those descriptions. How do you know that she would LOATHE a daughter if she birthed a daughter and continue to harbor such feelings?

You only know that her expriences with little girls have been unplesasant in comparison to her experiences with little boys and perhaps she shared these feelings in exaggerated fashion. Are you so confident that you know her inner mind?

To be a true misogynist wouldn't she also hate herself and other women as well?

There are some terrible, bratty, little girls in this world. Are we coming to the point where if we so much as share our negate experiences with girls, we're misogynists?

Why are we holding a negative opinion if girls? Why not hold a negative opinion of how girls are socialised? I don't know what alternate universe she is living in that she thinks boys are not bratty or moody...maybe her judgement has been clouded by her mothers negative opinion of her and her positive opinion of her brother?

 

[dawny0826]

Why are we holding a negative opinion if girls? Why not hold a negative opinion of how girls are socialised? I don't know what alternate universe she is living in that she thinks boys are not bratty or moody...maybe her judgement has been clouded by her mothers negative opinion of her and her positive opinion of her brother?

I agree with you, for the most part. But, still believe that a woman can have an opinion formed as a result of her own experiences and it may not be dripping with misogynistic intention.

Most people see an unruly child and by default look to the parents..."Seriously? Work with your kid, here." But, if the majority of bothersome kids you have come in contact with have been girls and you yourself were a bit of a handfull...perhaps these observations feed your fears, fuel insecurities about yourself or justify a natural preference towards having a boy. Who knows?

If she were to approach her own feelings honestly, she might recognize truth to what you are saying. But, we don't know how she really feels. I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt until I have solid enough evidence to conclude that they deserve such harsh labeling.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Yes. I don't always agree with others when they choose to use misogynistic and misandrist labeling.

I do believe that a woman can act in a way that can be perceived by others as hateful and with intent to oppress and harm - but it's not her feeling or intention at all.

Would there be a point at which it would be desirable to try to change the opinions of such women? It seems to me that the concept of "liberating people from themselves" can be infantilizing, but what if opinions that may not necessarily have ill intentions in them result in coercion and other harmful effects for those who don't share them? This is particularly apparent when such opinions influence voting decisions that promote specific roles for women in society and assume they all want to adopt said roles.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I've heard the same thing from women and didn't feel that such commentary warranted such labeling, though.

In her experiences little girls may matched those descriptions. How do you know that she would LOATHE a daughter if she birthed a daughter and continue to harbor such feelings?

You only know that her expriences with little girls have been unpleasant in comparison to her experiences with little boys and perhaps she shared these feelings in exaggerated fashion. Are you so confident that you know her inner mind?

To be a true misogynist wouldn't she also hate herself and other women as well?

There are some terrible, bratty, little girls in this world. Are we coming to the point where if we so much as share our negate experiences with girls, we're misogynists?

You know, if somebody says that "girls are bratty, horrible," etc as a definitive statement overall (and they're not joking nor are they making any exceptions to the rule), I tend to believe they mean what they say.

I've had negative experiences with both genders. It's entirely possible to share those experiences without making sweeping judgements.

 

[ChristineES]

Yesterday, I met a pregnant woman who was very hopeful that she would have a boy. Not because she just generally loves boys. And not because she already has a girl (she has a 7 year old son), but because girls are "horrible", "difficult", "moody", and "bratty." She followed up with how boys are so much easier than girls in every way, and how she was rotten growing up because she herself is/was so "moody" and "bratty" and how her mother had such a hard time with her as opposed to her brother.

So my answer is yes. Women can be misogynistic.

That's interesting. My daughter is better behaved than either of her brothers.

 

[dust1n]

It's much easier to blame the entirety of one's gender than it is to blame oneself.