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Could you creat a fly ?

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
You said a human can't create a fly. Which hasnt happened. And no-one ever claimed.

Dont blame me if your forced hypothetical to prove your prejudice turns out to be poor. Think of a more intelligent way to make your case instead.

Don't you find it interesting that humans can't created a fly?
And no one claim created him self.
There much things humans can't cross their limits, its does not belong to our acknowledge.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I am every cell of my body, I was the single sperm that reached the egg, I then grew to a baby that was born, and here I am today.
You did not do that some one else did.
That just observation to different stages of your creation.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Don't you find it interesting that humans can't created a fly?
And no one claim created him self.
There much things humans can't cross their limits, its does not belong to our acknowledge.

My personal opinion is that humans would do well to be more honest with themselves.
There is much we dont know. People professing to have the truth are delusional in my opinion. end
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
My personal opinion is that humans would do well to be more honest with themselves.
There is much we dont know. People professing to have the truth are delusional in my opinion. end

Yes , you need to be honest and think logical and avoid strange and non sense ideas.

Do you think it's not interesting that majority of all species are male and female (there is no third gender) I mean :male and female and gmail :p

Do you think is not interesting that you was zygote,and whole your body are registered there ,weight almost nothing ?!

Let's suppose that you had time machine,back to early past,our first ancestors EVER , our first grandmother,and first grandfather?

HOW they appeared together at the same time ?

My point is:
These are miracle questions, just lead to one answser, that there is a Creator.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Yes , you need to be honest and think logical and avoid strange and non sense ideas.

Do you think it's not interesting that majority of all species are male and female (there is no third gender) I mean :male and female and gmail :p

Do you think is not interesting that you was zygote,and whole your body are registered there ,weight almost nothing ?!

Let's suppose that you had time machine,back to early past,our first ancestors EVER , our first grandmother,and first grandfather?

HOW they appeared together at the same time ?

My point is:
These are miracle questions, just lead to one answser, that there is a Creator.

Without answering yes or no, can you take a step back and think that you've been taught there's a Creator in this sense your whole life? Your parents have taught you, your society's taught you, etc... So you believe the things you've grown up with.

I grew up around both, and believe in your simplistic creation for a bit as a child, but as I grew up it didn't make sense to me anymore. My relationship with God wouldn't really be helped by it anyway - God's too big for little stuff like this.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Here is the problem I faced always, when I talk with some people,they avoid to answser directly to my questions.

What? This isn't what I'm saying at all. There's just basic comprehension difficulties in these discussions.

All I was saying was 'without saying yes there is a Creator or no there is not...'

Will you respond to the rest of the post? Otherwise you'd be kind of doing what you just complained about.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Do you think an atom by atom exact copy of an adult fly created by science would act like an adult fly? Why or why not?
Why not?

I mean, soon we'll have 3D-printed organs (see here, which will be living tissues. I don't see why there is some magical fence beyond which we can't make the entire organism as well. Just because it's complicated and delicate doesn't make it impossible, just tricky.

And considering how many deformities exist in "real created lifeforms", sounds like God has about the same success rate.

We have limited science yet to creat a simple single living fly.
Cars are blasphemy! I don't have what it takes intellectually to make a single WHEEL, much less 4 of them that actually get you somewhere!

My answer is because a scientist is not immortal but would be possible with enough time.
And crowdsourcing would speed things up nicely.

You will gain that you will be first one EVER who can creat a living life
Psst ... women been kinda doing that the entire time. :)
In the case of evolution we have already manipulated the process to an extent by using breeding, such as breeding chickens for increased meat yield.
You're kinda behind the times. We can make chickens with dinosaur heads and tails now. :)

there is only one Creator
Even the Creator is often given "making" metaphors to describe Him. Potters and gardeners don't exactly poof anything up either.

Make(structure) it ,then give it alive
Give it some ATP. Should work.

Is there something created it self?
5 minute self organizing video
If you are convinced/believed you that your not designed, how I suppose to be that designer is proven?
You need to show the designer. You have no witnesses, in the bible or the Quran. None of those people were there at the beginning, a fact that even God lampshades to Job in the Book of Job.

Nothing had mind/intellegence to creat complex bodies,in mostly straight way male/female (there is no third gender)?
Gender is a spectrum? Other mythologies knew this (kinda, as many times gender issues are cosmic punishments or pranks or gifts or whatever), so why not the Abrahamic ones?

The proves is in your body and around,you.beside that I have no prove to you.
It proves nothing if you can't describe HOW it was made.

at least, not to those outside the choir
And even the choir should know that a blank piece of paper isn't sheet music. :)
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
how about that first singularity?.....not really a 'poof'.....
more like.....BANG!

oh that's right.....in a void....no sound.....

how about?......I AM!
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Why not?

I mean, soon we'll have 3D-printed organs (see here, which will be living tissues. I don't see why there is some magical fence beyond which we can't make the entire organism as well. Just because it's complicated and delicate doesn't make it impossible, just tricky.

And considering how many deformities exist in "real created lifeforms", sounds like God has about the same success rate.
The 3D-printed organ requires live cells to begin with. It cannot create from inanimate materials.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Just because it is not currently possible to ressurrect dead people (and that is somewhat arguable in any case) it does not follow that it can not be done.

These are probably that atheists and believers agree on.

Just believers take in serious way as mystery and key to believe in God,because i'ts defeat and beyond our acknowladge and science.

Many mystery/abnormal issues for believers just consider as normal by atheists.
they (atheists) hope that science in future find answser/solve it ?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
These are probably that atheists and believers agree on.

Just believers take in serious way as mystery and key to believe in God,because i'ts defeat and beyond our acknowladge and science.

Many mystery/abnormal issues for believers just consider as normal by atheists.
True. There is a very strong correlation between the supernaturalist view and theism.

they (atheists) hope that science in future find answser/solve it ?
Not always. Some matters are just not significant for many or most atheists.

Come to think of it, belief in a Creator God creates a series of issues.

For instance, medical conditions such as hydrocephalus and anencephaly are regrettable for us atheists, but we do not have nearly as much of a need of an explanation for them as theists sometimes do.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
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Cars are blasphemy! I don't have what it takes intellectually to make a single WHEEL, much less 4 of them that actually get you somewhere!
We are discussing living species :)




Psst ... women been kinda doing that the entire time. :)
Someone are not!
Not only women, ALL FEMALES, trees or animal or insects ...etc
They did it by help of males :)
They don't choice the gender or shape or health...of baby. they just accept the mission God give them.




Give it some ATP. Should work.
Believe or not, God challenge ALL Humans to creat a fly,He said we will not.


5 minute self organizing video
I mean living things.
There is no living things as fly,or birds or trees came from nothing.

You need to show the designer. You have no witnesses, in the bible or the Quran. None of those people were there at the beginning, a fact that even God lampshades to Job in the Book of Job.
Why,do you see all desinger of everything ?
You can't even see some organs of your body by your own eyes,except by scanner!
There is much things believe they existed ,but we don't see them,such Internet operations or electricity,gravity..;etc



Gender is a spectrum? Other mythologies knew this (kinda, as many times gender issues are cosmic punishments or pranks or gifts or whatever), so why not the Abrahamic ones?
To make system of gender in everything alive,in water or land (animals or insects,tree,planets..etc) . that's not easy matter.




It proves nothing if you can't describe HOW it was made.
It's proves,if you see a sign of wheels in sand , will understand that may car or motor just pass.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
For exemple ?

I mean ,what the interesting points that atheists did not find a clear answer to it ?
Well, that is the thing. Some matters are only of interest to people after they take for granted that there is a Creator God and/or an immortal, personal soul.

Most atheists tend to instead accept that existence is fairly accidental and that death is indeed final, so we do not always worry about those matters.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
By physical, I mean the known matter of the three-dimensional world of our physical senses and physical instruments. I also believe in 'beyond the physical' matter that may be called matter in some sense but not matter detectable through our physical senses and instruments. I am saying this 'beyond the physical' matter (95% of the matter in the universe/dark matter) is involved in creating animate life (as opposed to inanimate objects).
Well we know the relationship matter has with life. No matter, no life.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Well we know the relationship matter has with life. No matter, no life.
I disagree with that. On the astral plane there is life without the three dimensional physical matter I spoke of.

And because physical life requires matter does not argue that matter is the only constituent.
 
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