Could you creat a fly ?

[viole]

Hello everyone

Let's imagine that all species and plants are die for any reason,only you lucky one to live
and you can live forever.

and supposing your first mission is creat a living fly insect (male and female), how much time you will take to creat a two living fly(male and female), and how,why the humans now could not ?

NOTE:
my questions is for atheist or pro-evolution as starter of live.
I have two requests:

1-Please take my question in serious way

You can make the safe assumption that we take your question seriously. I wonder why you request that. Unless you think we have good reasons not to.

2- Don't tell me the same story that species will appears from nothing by billions of years, and the fly will be one of them

I will try not to.

I don't know how much time I would require to do a fly. But no matter how much time I would require, I do not see any urgent need to do anything as a fly.

Ciao

- viole

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Energies and vibrations outside of our detectable three-dimensions and vibrational levels are involved in living things.

If they're undetectable, then how could you possibly be sure they're there?

If you're sonehow sure that they are there, can you give any specifics? How many watts of power are required to sustain these "energies"? What frequency range (in Hz, kHz, MHz, as appropriate) do these "vibrations" operate at?

 

[George-ananda]

If they're undetectable, then how could you possibly be sure they're there?

From the testimony and observations of those who perceive beyond the physical and from more spiritually advanced beings among us and those that channel information for our learning purposes. Theosophical and occult students study these teachings for quantity, quality and consistency. I for one can vouch for the fact that almost all of these sources tell us pretty much the same sort of things.

For those of us with only physical tied senses we can study the many subfields of paranormal phenomena that argue strongly that dramatic things do exist beyond the physical. As for the details of how it works we are reliant on masters in their field similar to masters of physics telling us things that are not intuitive.

If you're sonehow sure that they are there, can you give any specifics? How many watts of power are required to sustain these "energies"? What frequency range (in Hz, kHz, MHz, as appropriate) do these "vibrations" operate at?

They operate at a vibratory level tremendously beyond anything of the denser physical plane. Perhaps, the theosophical and occult literature can provide additional details.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

From the testimony and observations of those who perceive beyond the physical and from more spiritually advanced beings among us and those that channel information for our learning purposes.

So those people detected them?

Then they aren't undetectable, by definition.

They operate at a vibratory level tremendously beyond anything of the denser physical plane.

Ah... so in the gigahertz range? yottohertz?

What do you mean by "vibratory level"? Vibrations don't have "levels".

Do you mean harmonics?

 

[George-ananda]

So those people detected them?

Then they aren't undetectable, by definition.

By undetectable I mean by our physical senses and our current physical instruments. Usually, I say it fully but you may find an example where I just use the term 'undetectable'. Mea Copa.

Ah... so in the gigahertz range? yottohertz?

What do you mean by "vibratory level"? Vibrations don't have "levels".

Do you mean harmonics?

vibratory rate (not level). Mea Copa.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I disagree with that. On the astral plane there is life without the three dimensional physical matter I spoke of.

And because physical life requires matter does not argue that matter is the only constituent.

How did you determine that?

 

[Milton Platt]

according to me that just theory , this is off-topic

Why humans could NOT creat a single living fly?

Everything in science is supported by a theory. The theory explains the fact. Implying a god does not even rise to the level of a theory...it is a mere assertion.

 

[George-ananda]

How did you determine that?

From my objective study of the paranormal and eastern/Indian based thought, theosophical and occult studies. (if I understand your question). That is how I determined it. Offering physical proof of any such thing is really impossible at this time.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Do you think it's not interesting that majority of all species are male and female (there is no third gender) I mean :male and female and gmail

Don't you find it interesting that not all species are male and female?

Do you think is not interesting that you was zygote,and whole your body are registered there ,weight almost nothing ?!

Sure.

Let's suppose that you had time machine,back to early past,our first ancestors EVER , our first grandmother,and first grandfather?

HOW they appeared together at the same time ?

You can disagree with evolution. But even a cursory understanding of it would tell you that question is nonsensical to me.

My point is:
These are miracle questions, just lead to one answser, that there is a Creator.

Rubbish. Lets assume for a moment I agree with your position. I don't, but let's just assume I do.

Why not 2 Creators?
Why not acwhole species of Creators?
Why does this remarkable super being design things so poorly?

 

[Etritonakin]

When we think of God as a creator, we tend to think of him designing every last detail of every last thing -but a creator/designer can also design processes which themselves produce designs.

As God is not credited with the design of only the earth or earth life, but all things -that would include specific things, specific things and end results brought about by processes, and processes which may produce generally-known, but specifically-unknown results.

What would we have to begin the process? Would we have to form atoms ourselves?
Now that humans have learned to synthesize DNA, etc. -and have a fair understanding of the workings of a fly -it would be much easier for us to create something quite similar.
The difficult part is done -which is that which caused the existence of flies in the first place.

Given present capabilities of the human mind -but removing knowledge of flies, DNA, -and even already-formed atoms, etc.... and leaving someone in an isolated area with the most basic building blocks of everything -which are presently unknown -would be a different story. We would first need to figure out how to make whatever it was into whatever we wanted it to be.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Why humans could NOT creat a single living fly?

The answer to this is obvious, and simple. We are incapable of working on such a small/detailed scale, and we have no way of perfectly timing or managing the moment of infusion of the fly with the "spark of life" - that is, to jump start its electrical (that's right, I said electrical) systems - even if we could "build" it to begin with.

However, there ARE beings who are able to "work" in such small-scaled detail, and to "build" (by accretion) systems of greater complexity, and whose "spark of life" is already intact and is simply spread onto the next generation - or even the next organ being "built" - and all with the latest evolutionary mechanisms in place. I'm speaking of the living cell. How a tree grows. How a human forms. How a bacterium gets his start. For all of us, the lowest common denominator (life-wise) in our bodies is, indeed, our maker.

Humans are clumsy - huge and lumbering. By comparison we have zero finesse. Just look around your home and you will find signs of the craftsmanship left wanting. A bad transition between materials, trim just a smidge too far from the wall, a floor not level, cracks along seams, a loose, saggy door knob. Many of these things we can only repair if we completely replace. Compare that to the processes our bodies undergo to repair mishaps or damage and our efforts become nothing in that comparison. We are, quite literally, nothing without the individual cells of our body. Your precious "consciousness" or "soul" is only a by-product - something that was deemed beneficial in the race to evolve and so comes along for the ride. However the ones truly driving the ship? Keeping it fit and ready to move and work? That's not "you", my friend. Not by a long shot.

 

[viole]

These are probably that atheists and believers agree on.

Just believers take in serious way as mystery and key to believe in God,because i'ts defeat and beyond our acknowladge and science.

Many mystery/abnormal issues for believers just consider as normal by atheists.
they (atheists) hope that science in future find answser/solve it ?

There is nothing to answer/solve, really. When you dig deep inside, you will note that those "mysteries" have pretty mundane alternative explanations.

But I am intrigued. Basically, all classic religions claim miracles and mysteries. I expect they need to. Even though that could justify a belief in supernatural forces, if true, for sure that does not justify belief in God X. Why not? Because believers in God Y claim similar things.

So, not only you need evidence that the mysteries of your God are true. You need evidence that the mysteries of other gods are not true, if you want to justify your particular faith rationally. Alas, you will find it quite challenging, because I suspect that the methods you will use to defeat the claims of the competition, can be used to defeat the claims of your own religion.

Ciao

- viole