Could you creat a fly ?

[McBell]

let them believe whatever they want.

maybe because they can not create a fly,so they believe in God?

God of the Gaps only impresses the choir.

 

[Jumi]

This forum has only laymen, no one here can create a fly even if someone could. Depending on how we define "create".

 

[Godobeyer]

What are you talking about?

I am not complaining that you eliminated evolution from the OP.
Makes sense to eliminate evolution really, considering evolution does not address how life started.

In fact, I understand why you would make it a big point to eliminate evolution because there will be those who will want to preach evolution even though it does not address how life began.

I am talking about reply :

I fail to see where Godobeyer thinks or even implies it has something to do with evolution.
In fact, the OP flat out removes evolution from the hypothetical.

Though I do find it interesting that the OP has to stack the cards against evolution and for god.
One wonders if they think god is as weak and feeble as they make him out to be.

 

[Godobeyer]

This forum has only laymen, no one here can create a fly even if someone could. Depending on how we define "create".

Make(structure) it ,then give it alive

 

[Godobeyer]

I am still failing to grasp what the thread is supposed to accomplish or why it's in this thread.

My questions was clear for atheist and pro-evolution as origin of life, why we could NOt creat a fly or any other specie,despite "the knowledge" and tools we had ?

 

[McBell]

I am talking about reply :

I do find it interesting that you feel the need to stack the cards against evolution.
ESPECIALLY when evolution has nothing to do with how life began.

Of course, one must look at this with the understanding that YOU believe evolution is abiogenesis.

 

[McBell]

I am still failing to grasp what the thread is supposed to accomplish or why it's in this thread.

It is a choir serving game of Pigeon Chess.

 

[Godobeyer]

@Godobeyer and the op I would go to a lab and clone a fly quickly from DNA that's been stored. I would have fly quickly.

Copy/paste mode ,that's definitly cheating

 

[Godobeyer]

Because I am unaware of any technology we have that is capable of assembling such a complex creature of life on the atomic level.

admit that "nature" defeat us in that issue ?
Don't tell me that "nature" had technology to creat complex creature !

 

[Iti oj]

Copy/paste mode ,that's definitly cheating

If im the only one alive who could call me out for cheating. I'd make the rules

 

[McBell]

admit that "nature" defeat us in that issue ?
Don't tell me that "nature" had technology to creat complex creature !

Now you reveal you're switching up on the definition of "create"....

Is this why you refused to address that particular point when I brought it up at the beginning of the thread?

 

[Godobeyer]

I do find it interesting that you feel the need to stack the cards against evolution.
ESPECIALLY when evolution has nothing to do with how life began.

Of course, one must look at this with the understanding that YOU believe evolution is abiogenesis.

So this DIR suppose to be called Abiogenesis VS Creationism ?

or because Abiogenesis don't had explaination how all these species created.

 

[McBell]

So this DIR suppose to be called Abiogenesis VS Creationism ?

or because Abiogenesis don't had explaination how all these species created.

No, this DIR is for creationists to reveal not only their ignorance of evolution, but also to reveal how dishonest they are willing to be in revealing their ignorance of evolution.

 

[Godobeyer]

Now you reveal you're switching up on the definition of "create"....

Is this why you refused to address that particular point when I brought it up at the beginning of the thread?

Is not big deal enough to know what I meant by "create"

wake up !, we are in evolution-vs-creationism DIR

 

[McBell]

Is not big deal enough to know what I meant by "create"

wake up !, we are in evolution-vs-creationism DIR

Actually, that you switch up the definition in order to promote your dishonesty is a big deal.

It also confirms post #59.
Thank you

 

[Godobeyer]

No, this DIR is for creationists to reveal not only their ignorance of evolution, but also to reveal how dishonest they are willing to be in revealing their ignorance of evolution.

So I blame who lable it.

Creation don't suppose to be oppose of the evolution in level of original of life.

 

[Godobeyer]

Actually, that you switch up the definition in order to promote your dishonesty is a big deal.

I don't switch definition,that your pretending that you ignore what I mean!

 

[sayak83]

Hello everyone

Let's imagine that all species and plants are die for any reason,only you lucky one to live
and you can live forever.

and supposing your first mission is creat a living fly insect (male and female), how much time you will take to creat a two living fly(male and female), and how,why the humans now could not ?

NOTE:
my questions is for atheist or pro-evolution as starter of live.
I have two requests:

1-Please take my question in serious way
2- Don't tell me the same story that species will appears from nothing by billions of years, and the fly will be one of them

Its unclear what the point is.
We can't create tides either, but know quite well the natural process by which tides happen (moon's and sun's gravity).

 

[Laika]

Is proved that abiogenesis (as start of life) is apply to all species ?

It's known that human could change some of DNA..;etc, but not creat.
for my opinion it's would be great challenge that humans could creat a living fly or living animal, as we build cars or planes

I agree that it would be an interesting challange.

This is all hypothetical, but the only reason this couldn't work is if there is a non-material "force" that animates species and gives them life such as a "soul" or a form of consciousness. As a materialist, I would discount that possibility because I believe all forms of consciousness originate from matter organised in the brain. That is controversial and widely disputed for scientific and philosophical reasons. I think Abrahamic religion say only humans have souls (being made in gods image). So if that were true, it would only exclude humans.

Again- this is all "hypothetical", but I hope that answers your question.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Hello everyone

Let's imagine that all species and plants are die for any reason,only you lucky one to live
and you can live forever.

and supposing your first mission is creat a living fly insect (male and female), how much time you will take to creat a two living fly(male and female), and how,why the humans now could not ?

NOTE:
my questions is for atheist or pro-evolution as starter of live.
I have two requests:

1-Please take my question in serious way
2- Don't tell me the same story that species will appears from nothing by billions of years, and the fly will be one of them

Well revelent atoms would be nessessary first. I think it has to do with the atomic shell and compatibility of one atom with another producing those molecules that forms the basis of DNA and starts replication. If life started over again, it's likely that new form will emerge in an altered enviroment since the fly itself didn't fare to well.