Could you creat a fly ?

[lewisnotmiller]

Considering that you atheist.that's close to "I don't know" meaning!

Saying "I don't know" that's prove there is progression,I mean it's better than saying it's created by if-self

At this point, I'm just hoping you realise you aren't actually making any sort of meaningful argument. But unfortunately I doubt you have that level of insight into how 'evolutionists' think. Or atheists, for that matter. Have you spent much time with atheists?

 

[Godobeyer]

There is, actually, quite large difference between evolution not happening and complete ignorance about evolution. Ignorance doesn't equate to it not being true.

Some said evolution had nothing to do with origin of life,and "starter of lilfe"

I do accept evolution as changes/varieties of same specie in time, not change of kind, nor starter of life.

 

[Godobeyer]

At this point, I'm just hoping you realise you aren't actually making any sort of meaningful argument. But unfortunately I doubt you have that level of insight into how 'evolutionists' think. Or atheists, for that matter. Have you spent much time with atheists?

Evolutionists denied fact that they are designed,and all species are too.
inspite there much meaningful arguments inside your body and around you.

I do know major problem with atheist, they may agree they are designed , but they linked their belief in God , to curious question " Who creat God".
my respond : ITS NOT OUR BUSINESS.

I do spent much time with you, I always listen to youtube videos about evolution and atheism
They had always the same top camouflage respond for their failure/ignorance,which is : "millions of years"

 

[Jumi]

We know that we are designed and all species are too....etc.

I have to disagree with this. Some religions say this, but evidence is not provided. This is why I don't believe and never have believed Protestantism even though it was taught to me.

Everything had designers all refer to original one Creator.

Yes, that is claimed but unproven. If proven, there is still the problem of many creators or creators of creators.

editing not equal to designing/creating.

At this point in time editing is possible, yes. Even I have done it, because it was part of basic biology course I took part in. In the future things I'm sure we will create our bacteria.

the fact that If ALL humans gathered to creat a fly,they will COULD NOT , because that knowledge not belong to humans.

Same can be said of proving creationism to be fact.

 

[Godobeyer]

I have to disagree with this. Some religions say this, but evidence is not provided. This is why I don't believe and never have believed Protestantism even though it was taught to me.

By logic,everything complex designed ,had designer.

Yes, that is claimed but unproven. If proven, there is still the problem of many creators or creators of creators.

That's maybe because you think that way,and that issue don't belong to you.(not your business).

Why we suppose to prove to the cars that we made them?

At this point in time editing is possible, yes. Even I have done it, because it was part of basic biology course I took part in. In the future things I'm sure we will create our bacteria.

That's what God said in Quran,editing is possible , creation a fly is will never happened.

believe me that would be just editing not creation.

Same can be said of proving creationism to be fact.

When I see your cycle, you ejected from two dirty organs in human body twice.and being "zygote" less than 0.00177 mg and 0.0042 mg weight, and become 70Kg,I believe creationism to be a fact.

 

[Kirran]

Godobeyer, I honestly find it astonishing the amount of time you find it worth spending on this issue without ever once trying to listen to a single word anybody is telling you on the subject.

 

[Godobeyer]

Godobeyer, I honestly find it astonishing the amount of time you find it worth spending on this issue without ever once trying to listen to a single word anybody is telling you on the subject.

I am listening, and discuss.

So what? I suppose to agree all time what people saying ?

 

[Kirran]

I am listening, and discuss.

So what? I suppose to agree all time what people saying ?

You seem to just endlessly repeat your same points, this isn't discussion. You consistently fail to differentiate between abiogenesis and evolution, and continue to hold a strawman understanding of evolution even after it has been explained to you many times.

To understand the opposing person's arguments and point of view doesn't mean you have to agree with them. In fact, the ability to understand a view without believing it is the basis of intellectual discussion.

 

[Godobeyer]

You seem to just endlessly repeat your same points, this isn't discussion. You consistently fail to differentiate between abiogenesis and evolution, and continue to hold a strawman understanding of evolution even after it has been explained to you many times.

To understand the opposing person's arguments and point of view doesn't mean you have to agree with them. In fact, the ability to understand a view without believing it is the basis of intellectual discussion.

Sometimes I repeat some point,when they repeat same points too.
and we make creation and evolution in discuss

 

[Kirran]

Sometimes I repeat some point,when they repeat same points too.
and we make creation and evolution in discuss

This did not seem to respond to much that I was saying.

 

[Godobeyer]

This did not seem to respond to much that I was saying.

Don't worry

 

[McBell]

All you are trying to do in this thread is prove that a magic man in the sky created and creates everything, it ain't going to work, for the simple reason that there is no god,

Actually, if his intention was to "prove" a creator, he failed. Miserably.

 

[McBell]

Buggered if I know who created life. Pretty sure it wasn't cows. Does that prove anything?

He hasn't proven a creator.
Hells bells, outside the already believes choir, he has not even evidenced a creator.

 

[McBell]

Evolutionists denied fact that they are designed,and all species are too.

Flat out wrong.
It has not been established as a fact that humans are designed.
I understand it is what you believe.
I understand you are unable to distinguish between belief and fact.

However, it has not been established as a fact that humans are designed.

inspite there much meaningful arguments inside your body and around you.

This is nothing more than wishful thinking used by you to justify your ratification.

I do know major problem with atheist, they may agree they are designed , but they linked their belief in God , to curious question " Who creat God".
my respond : ITS NOT OUR BUSINESS.

Yes.
You have found an answer you are comfortable with.
Damned be truth and reason and logic and anything and everything else that threatens your cozy little safe box.

I do spent much time with you, I always listen to youtube videos about evolution and atheism
They had always the same top camouflage respond for their failure/ignorance,which is : "millions of years"

your skills in ratification are indeed impressive.

 

[Jumi]

By logic,everything complex designed ,had designer.

By that logic, the creator must have a creator or be not complex.

That's maybe because you think that way,and that issue don't belong to you.(not your business).

It seems like an arbitrary limit though.

Why we suppose to prove to the cars that we made them?

We know the whole method of production. We can go to school and learn how to design and make them.

That's what God said in Quran,editing is possible , creation a fly is will never happened.

Many things have been said to be impossible, like humans flying, atoms, bacteria, computers, virtual reality, travel to the moon.

I've done things people thought impossible the time I was born.

When I see your cycle, you ejected from two dirty organs in human body twice.and being "zygote" less than 0.00177 mg and 0.0042 mg weight, and become 70Kg,I believe creationism to be a fact.

I don't believe anything comes from nothing. We don't see humans that are created from nothing. We see material beings using material to grow. When we look at how it happens, it seems wonderful but we can see it happening, we don't magically become adults. Our process is very wasteful, most of our food doesn't become us but leaves us as a mass of bacteria, water and rejected matter we or our army of bacteria in our system couldn't use.

 

[Godobeyer]

He hasn't proven a creator.
Hells bells, outside the already believes choir, he has not even evidenced a creator.

If you are convinced/believed you that your not designed, how I suppose to be that designer is proven?

 

[Godobeyer]

By that logic, the creator must have a creator or be not complex.

Forget who creat the creator.(it's not our business).
I am talking about you,do you believe that you are designed ?

We know the whole method of production. We can go to school and learn how to design and make them.

you are given the ability to learn, you did not creat your self
Ah, because God give the ability to learn , so you become arrognace for His gifts!

Many things have been said to be impossible, like humans flying, atoms, bacteria, computers, virtual reality, travel to the moon.
I've done things people thought impossible the time I was born

I see no problem in that, science don't deny Creator or God.
on contrary , God give us the ability to learn,and order us to learn.
btw Its said in Quran that humans could travel out to universe.

I don't believe anything comes from nothing. We don't see humans that are created from nothing. We see material beings using material to grow. When we look at how it happens, it seems wonderful but we can see it happening, we don't magically become adults. Our process is very wasteful, most of our food doesn't become us but leaves us as a mass of bacteria, water and rejected matter we or our army of bacteria in our system couldn't use.[

Nothing had mind/intellegence to creat complex bodies,in mostly straight way male/female (there is no third gender)?

Do you consider your body complex "structure" ,and suppose to had designer ?

 

[Jumi]

Forget who creat the creator.(it's not our business).

But if it's logic that everything complex requires a creator then it's true.

I am talking about you,do you believe that you are designed ?

No. I think we are lucky to be alive.

you are given the ability to learn, you did not creat your self
Ah, because God give the ability to learn , so you become arrognace for His gifts!

We live in a tiny planet in the middle of nowhere in a galaxy among galaxies, perhaps in a universe among universes. It's hard to be arrogant when I don't believe I have a special role in the universe.

Nothing had mind/intellegence to creat complex bodies,in mostly straight way male/female (there is no third gender)?

Many living things don't use the way humans reproduce. Within us are born cells all the time that are "part of us" and we also carry a huge mass of bacteria that equals the amount of cells we have in body. They are reproducing all the time.

Do you consider your body complex "structure" ,and suppose to had designer ?

I don't suppose designers if I don't see evidence of them.

Yes the body is complex. Water droplets look look simple but are also mind-bogglingly complex, it depends what kind of knowledge we have about interactions between subatomic particles etc. Yet we don't think that the stone or water droplet we see is complex or designed but as a simple thing. Yet, it's atoms have had a long and interesting existence with many events that are unlikely happening to them over course of millions and billions of years.

 

[McBell]

If you are convinced/believed you that your not designed, how I suppose to be that designer is proven?

You have not demonstrated/shown/proven/evidenced that I am designed.
You have only declared it.

 

[Godobeyer]

You have not demonstrated/shown/proven/evidenced that I am designed.
You have only declared it.

Not only me I declared it, all believers do the same.
The proves is in your body and around,you.beside that I have no prove to you.