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Covid and the Parable of the Drowning Man

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
In the background of my thoughts is the application of the Parable of the Drowning Man to COVID. A version for COVID is this:

A man heard about the COVID-19 outbreak: Stay at home unless you must go out, wash your hands thoroughly, stay six feet away from others, and above all – wear a mask.

During the several weeks his work was closed, he went out only for groceries.

But he refused to wear a mask —and urged others not to wear one. He objected to government telling him what to do. After all, his Creator imbued him with unalienable rights, such as life and liberty.

As the man’s community reopened with limits on crowds at restaurants, bars and other businesses, he was thankful. He wanted to get back to normal.


Despite what experts suggested, the man continued not to wear a mask. He frequented crowded places where face coverings were not worn.

One day, his friends had a large dinner party to celebrate a couple’s anniversary.

A few days later, the man started coughing. He lost his sense of taste and had tightness in his chest.

Later that week he was tested for COVID-19 by his family doctor, and soon, he was admitted to the hospital, delirious with a high fever.

Eventually, he was placed on a ventilator, and like many before him, died alone.

In heaven, he shyly asked, “God, I prayed repeatedly for you to protect me from the coronavirus. I believed in you with all my heart and soul. There must be some mistake.”

God answered, “You saw the carnage. I gave health officials the wisdom to let you know to wash your hands, stay six feet apart and to wear a mask. I gave you wisdom to pass the word that masks would help you and others to be safe. Your leaders let you know to avoid large gatherings, especially indoors.

“Now I have given scientists a cerebral cortex and wisdom to invent vaccines quicker than ever before that will protect communities against the virus. But what did you do? You refused to be vaccinated – the one miracle that was needed to eradicate the rapid transmission of this virus.”
 

Shadow11

Member
A rewording of an old joke:


A storm descends on a small town, and the downpour soon turns into a flood. As the waters rise, the local preacher kneels in prayer on the church porch, surrounded by water. By and by, one of the townsfolk comes up the street in a canoe.

"Better get in, Preacher. The waters are rising fast."

"No," says the preacher. "I have faith in the Lord. He will save me."

Still the waters rise. Now the preacher is up on the balcony, wringing his hands in supplication, when another guy zips up in a motorboat.

"Come on, Preacher. We need to get you out of here. The levee's gonna break any minute."

Once again, the preacher is unmoved. "I shall remain. The Lord will see me through."

After a while the levee breaks, and the flood rushes over the church until only the steeple remains above water. The preacher is up there, clinging to the cross, when a helicopter descends out of the clouds, and a state trooper calls down to him through a megaphone.

"Grab the ladder, Preacher. This is your last chance."

Once again, the preacher insists the Lord will deliver him.

And, predictably, he drowns.

A pious man, the preacher goes to heaven. After a while he gets an interview with God, and he asks the Almighty, "Lord, I had unwavering faith in you. Why didn't you deliver me from that flood?"

God shakes his head. "What did you want from me? I sent you two boats and a helicopter."
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
In the background of my thoughts is the application of the Parable of the Drowning Man to COVID. A version for COVID is this:

A man heard about the COVID-19 outbreak: Stay at home unless you must go out, wash your hands thoroughly, stay six feet away from others, and above all – wear a mask.

During the several weeks his work was closed, he went out only for groceries.

But he refused to wear a mask —and urged others not to wear one. He objected to government telling him what to do. After all, his Creator imbued him with unalienable rights, such as life and liberty.

As the man’s community reopened with limits on crowds at restaurants, bars and other businesses, he was thankful. He wanted to get back to normal.


Despite what experts suggested, the man continued not to wear a mask. He frequented crowded places where face coverings were not worn.

One day, his friends had a large dinner party to celebrate a couple’s anniversary.

A few days later, the man started coughing. He lost his sense of taste and had tightness in his chest.

Later that week he was tested for COVID-19 by his family doctor, and soon, he was admitted to the hospital, delirious with a high fever.

Eventually, he was placed on a ventilator, and like many before him, died alone.

In heaven, he shyly asked, “God, I prayed repeatedly for you to protect me from the coronavirus. I believed in you with all my heart and soul. There must be some mistake.”

God answered, “You saw the carnage. I gave health officials the wisdom to let you know to wash your hands, stay six feet apart and to wear a mask. I gave you wisdom to pass the word that masks would help you and others to be safe. Your leaders let you know to avoid large gatherings, especially indoors.

“Now I have given scientists a cerebral cortex and wisdom to invent vaccines quicker than ever before that will protect communities against the virus. But what did you do? You refused to be vaccinated – the one miracle that was needed to eradicate the rapid transmission of this virus.”
What about the people that followed all those rules and still dyed from covid?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
But they are still dead. I can't see how restrictions on their freedom helped at all. And of course we don't even know if that is true.
Taking precautions (eg, mask, vaccination) improves one's
probability of avoiding infection (mask), & having less severe
effects if one does become infected (vaccine).

Life doesn't give us guarantees.
But it gives us choices to improve our odds.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Life doesn't give us guarantees.
But it gives us choices to improve our odds.
Odds of what? Not dieing? 100 percent of us do just that.
I figure we should live free while we are here, because no one gets out alive.
Wasting life on lock downs is time never regained.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Supposedly. It's what we are told to believe.
It's also observable.
IRL, my circle of associates has many unvaxed people getting
sick, being hospitalized, & some even dying. But only one vaxed
person got Covid 19, & his symptoms were mild & brief.
Statistically, one would be ill advised to eschew vaccination.
As for masks, I haven't had a cold now in a couple years.
(It used to be every year.)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Odds of what? Not dieing? 100 percent of us do just that.
I figure we should live free while we are here, because no one gets out alive.
Wasting life on lock downs is time never regained.
I don't do lockdowns.
But masks, social distancing, & vaccination have
so far worked to keep me disease free, despite
my being out & about.
 

Shadow11

Member
The point of the restrictions were so the health care systems would not be over run not to save lives. You saw what happened in India when they ran out of oxygen people suffocated. There would be a lot more deaths without restrictions it has also saved many lives from treatment where they might otherwise have died. If there was no restrictions the virus would spread fast and the death rate would of soared and people would not get treatment because the beds would be full. Just think how many people would of died choking to death from covid. But some would like to have had it that way.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
What about the people that followed all those rules and still dyed from covid?

That's not the point of the parable. The parable is about those who could have lived but refused God's help delivered through human hands.

And the "Nirvana fallacy" is just that, a fallacy that if something is not perfect, it's rejected.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I don't do lockdowns.
But masks, social distancing, & vaccination have
so far worked to keep me disease free, despite
my being out & about.

I agree. Besides which the example of maximum lockdowns, China, is not something I care for us to emulate.

At this stage of the pandemic, masks, distancing and vaccination is very very very effective especially if the masks are high quality.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
I don't do lockdowns.
But masks, social distancing, & vaccination have
so far worked to keep me disease free, despite
my being out & about.
Well I could say the same about me, even though I lived with someone with covid, am not vaccinated and rarely wore a mask. I guess those things you credit might have nothing to do with it and we are just fortunate.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well I could say the same about me, even though I lived with someone with covid, am not vaccinated and rarely wore a mask. I guess those things you credit might have nothing to do with it and we are just fortunate.
It's all about probabilities.
If one ignores those, then even Russian roulette
is safe because someone survived a game.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
It's all about probabilities.
If one ignores those, then even Russian roulette
is safe because someone survived a game.
Lol, really? Something that has a less than 1 percent chance of dying from compared to Russian roulette? I have more chance of dying from driving in the mountains in snow but I still do it.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
This also shows up in cartoons

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Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
These stories evoke the commandment, 'You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.'

This has been understood to mean, 'don't put your self in harms way and expect God to bail you out.'

Doing so is nothing less than sorcery, attempting to manipulate God.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Lol, really? Something that has a less than 1 percent chance of dying from compared to Russian roulette? I have more chance of dying from driving in the mountains in snow but I still do it.
So you acknowledge that risk is about probability of negative
consequences now, eh.
BTW, a less than 1% chance of dying is significant.
 
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