Covid: ICU nurse speaks out

[Father Heathen]

Wait a minute. Aren't you and your father responsible for yourselves? If you or your father are worried about being infected you should get vaccinated, you should wear masks, you should socially distance as well. If you are seriously worried, you could also stay home and keep yourselves on total lockdown. You can make sure you have zero chance of catching Covid. I'm responsible for myself, I'm not responsible for keeping you and your dad safe. That is up to you.

Why waste both your time and mine responding a post you clearly didn't read?

 

[Revoltingest]

He said he wasn't worried about catching it himself, but "I would rather not unknowingly carry it and infect others with it, especially someone like my ailing, elderly father."

I notice on RF that it's common to diss other posters as
somehow weak by accusing them of "fear" & "worry".
Seeing that, I sought to advise you of FH's presenting
a different attitude...to help you be accurate.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That's no excuse.
Serbian hermit discovers there is a pandemic, gets COVID-19 vaccine

If a hermit who has lived in a cave gets it because even he knows he interacts with others, no one can use isolation as an excuse.

Sure they can. Are you saying people have high chance if any to catch the virus without people contact?

What's the use of quarantine and lockdowns if we were all at high risk despite isolation?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sure they can. Are you saying people have high chance if any to catch the virus without people contact?

What's the use of quarantine and lockdowns if we were all at high risk despite isolation?

I'm saying if someone who has lived in a cave for over 20 years gets the vaccine because he comes into contact with others, no one else gets to use isolation as an excuse. Because, yeah, he can still catch it despite his very limited contact with other humans.
And we did the lockdowns and isolation in an attempt to slow the spread. This worked in countries that complied.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm saying if someone who has lived in a cave for over 20 years gets the vaccine because he comes into contact with others, no one else gets to use isolation as an excuse. Because, yeah, he can still catch it despite his very limited contact with other humans.

And we did the lockdowns and isolation in an attempt to slow the spread. This worked in countries that complied.

Do you believe the person in a cave should be vaccinated?

We can all catch the virus. It's a risk. Mine is different than yours and different from someone else on the other side of the world.

We have to Think for ourselves to know whether taking the vaccine is urgent or not--not because "they" say so.

Isolation is an excuse. Think of it as a lifestyle in quarantine. No one is saying people can still get the virus in quarantine yet you're saying someone who is isolated their whole life has a chance to get it.

I don't get how you see one but not the other?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Do you believe the person in a cave should be vaccinated?

It is behaving responsibly, and doing his part to help mitigate the risks he poses to others.

We have to Think for ourselves to know whether taking the vaccine is urgent or not--not because "they" say so.

That's why the hospital here has people in the hall ways. Because that mentality is letting covid still and entirely needlessly do its worst. It's not "because 'they' say so." It's basic medicine, virology, and biology.

Isolation is an excuse. Think of it as a lifestyle in quarantine. No one is saying people can still get the virus in quarantine yet you're saying someone who is isolated their whole life has a chance to get it.

Yes. Because even someone who lives in a cave can still get it during his rare trips into town. That is isolated. I doubt anyone on this forum has a form of isolation that even closely resembles that.
And it's because covid has always been especially contagious. The delta strain the is dominating in parts of the country and world is tons more contagious than the original strain from Wuhan and way more deadly as well. The good news is the vaccines still offer a great level of protection against even delta and they spin the odds comfortably in our favor, making it far less of a very high-stakes gamble.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It is behaving responsibly, and doing his part to help mitigate the risks he poses to others.

If someone is in a cave they are not at risk of exposing COVID to others. That's why I ask, should they be vaccinated?

That's why the hospital here has people in the hall ways. Because that mentality is letting covid still and entirely needlessly do its worst. It's not "because 'they' say so." It's basic medicine, virology, and biology.

They're in the hospitals because they are probably in a high risk environment, vulnerable age, maybe not social distancing and sanitizing, and not wearing masks when near people.

These are ways one is at higher risk of catching (first) then spreading COVID not vaccination status and definitely not based on the decision.

Also be mindful people without COVID are in those hallways. When they lacked beds in the ER (last time I went) they put me in the hallway until they found a room. I've already had my seizure so they went by severity and urgency.

Yes. Because even someone who lives in a cave can still get it during his rare trips into town. That is isolated. I doubt anyone on this forum has a form of isolation that even closely resembles that.

And it's because covid has always been especially contagious. The delta strain the is dominating in parts of the country and world is tons more contagious than the original strain from Wuhan and way more deadly as well. The good news is the vaccines still offer a great level of protection against even delta and they spin the odds comfortably in our favor, making it far less of a very high-stakes gamble.

They could but why worry about such a rare possibility. If that be the case COVID is no different than other viruses that are not life threatening. Yet, every time we go out we don't always catch a cold. It's A risk like any other but not so much that vaccination is a necessity just one's personal sense of safety.

I don't think you and others believe there are people in the world who are isolated in those respects.

It always has been contagious yes, but I doubt a person with limited contact with society IF any is at the same risk as you are of getting COVID.

So your level of urgency of taking the vaccine differs. Of course being at A risk applies to both of you but unless people are obsessed that they will get it just by stepping out their door, being a bit overly concerned, if one likes, best to balance your risk.

It really depends. Hard to blanket the world population, no?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If someone is in a cave they are not at risk of exposing COVID to others. That's why I ask, should they be vaccinated?

He learned about the pandemic during a trip to town. That means he learned about it, long after this began, from other people.

I don't think you and others believe there are people in the world who are isolated in those respects.

Very, very few people are actually isolated. Some maintain this isolation through extreme hostility towards outsiders. Some of them do it by choice like the hermit in the story. But they still have some contact with the outside world.

Also be mindful people without COVID are in those hallways. When they lacked beds in the ER (last time I went) they put me in the hallway until they found a room. I've already had my seizure so they went by severity and urgency.

They don't have to rooms because covid patients are taking up a substantial percentage of those rooms.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why waste both your time and mine responding a post you clearly didn't read?

I was talking to one guy who was on the fence about getting the vaccine, but then he thought about the possibility of unknowingly giving it to his grand daughter, or his daughter, and that thought did worry him and he got the vaccine.
I'd say there's no shame in that worry, as it is a very possible scenario. That's called survival. It's when you lambast caution and charge headfirst into the tall, ruffling grass that can be worrisome in a bad way (and certainly many never came to be due to earlier hominids who didn't head such cautions). And it's also a bad worry when it's over something very highly unlikely to happen or not realistic that interfere with life, such as agoraphobia or OCD.
And when it comes to think for oneself, truly, to grasp the odds of covid and compare to what is at stake, I see absolutely no logical justification for anyone to not follow guidelines, restrictions, and willingly not vaccinate.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

He learned about the pandemic during a trip to town. That means he learned about it, long after this began, from other people.

That doesn't mean his lifestyle and isolation doesn't play a factor in whether he "must" take the vaccine or not. I would rather people take the vaccine (medicine, whatever) if their situation calls for it not just because.

If he's isolated he probably heard it from the internet. That's how I heard it-not from other people but from online. So, someone with little to know "close" contact with people (those in quarantine lifestyle) have even less change of catching it. Even if they caught it because they are isolated, they have no one to spread it to.

Unless you know everyone's living situation literally all around the globe, just seeing a person fifty feet away doesn't mean they are at a high risk of catching COVID.

Not everyone is right up on people for the virus (any virus) to travel between both parties. It's more common sense than anything else.

Very, very few people are actually isolated. Some maintain this isolation through extreme hostility towards outsiders. Some of them do it by choice like the hermit in the story. But they still have some contact with the outside world.

In the world???

But the point is their chance of catching COVID is not high enough to even think about the vaccine. You'd have to prove that seeing a person means that person is close enough for the virus to spread. If two people are not close to each other, there is no spread of the virus.

They don't have to rooms because covid patients are taking up a substantial percentage of those rooms.

Depends on their symptoms and such. Hopefully, people who have worse symptoms than some who have COVID take priority. Not all in the hospital with COVID are at a life and death circumstance. I mean, someone can get a bed just by having a cough and a sneeze before COVID is even considered.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If he's isolated he probably heard it from the internet.

Thanks for demonstrating you didn't read the article.

Depends on their symptoms and such. Hopefully, people who have worse symptoms than some who have COVID take priority. Not all in the hospital with COVID are at a life and death circumstance. I mean, someone can get a bed just by having a cough and a sneeze before COVID is even considered.

Obviously not all are in there for covid. But those with covid are taking up a lot of room, so much room that they've had to put some people in the hallway.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Thanks for demonstrating you didn't read the article.

I didn't see the article you were referring to. Maybe ask more "did you read the article I posted?" then I could have looked up and say no, I didn't.

Regardless, if someone is a hermit or in a cave the point is he or she has no contact with people so he has no reason to be vaccinated.

Obviously not all are in there for covid. But those with covid are taking up a lot of room, so much room that they've had to put some people in the hallway.

I know. My main point is that everyone is at A risk of getting COVID, but that still doesn't answer (or doesn't make sense to me) to assume people who are isolated (quarantine) can spread the disease "at such a high risk" that they need to be vaccinated.

I know you guys want to vaccinate the world but isolated people can't contribute to herd immunity and there's no high risk of catching it and even IF they did they can't spread it to people they are not close to.

Unless I'm missing something, you want people to vaccinate regardless if they are on the moon or in a cabin in the woods as if that's the same being in the city area where herd immunity makes more sense in a higher population thus higher spread.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I didn't see the article you were referring to. Maybe ask more "did you read the article I posted?" then I could have looked up and say no, I didn't.

Then why are you commenting about it? I posted that as an example of someone who very rarely goes into a city and has lived in a cave for over 20 years who journeys into the city, discovers a pandemic is going on, and he got vaccinated. And not just two, he got a third shot. This man who is far more isolated than us got this because he realized the seriousness of the situation and recognized it could come into his cave.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Then why are you commenting about it? I posted that as an example of someone who very rarely goes into a city and has lived in a cave for over 20 years who journeys into the city, discovers a pandemic is going on, and he got vaccinated. And not just two, he got a third shot. This man who is far more isolated than us got this because he realized the seriousness of the situation and recognized it could come into his cave.

I didn't know your comment about the guy in a cave was related to anything. I was thinking it was an analogy to support your point.

Do you think Petrovic applies to All unvaccinated isolated people all over the world??

They all draw the same conclusions, all feel the same level of risk, and all are "happy" they got the vaccine?

Its testimonial propaganda and doesn't address individual people's situations.

If someone is not in contact with a person (more than six feet away) and don't go out at all hearing about the pandemic will have no direct affect on that person. They may read it on the internet and probably see or two people in their small town wear a mask (if that), but not severe enough to warrant the vaccine.

People take it just in case they get COVID but my point is they don't "have" to if they can assess the level of risk themselves not what they are told.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I didn't know your comment about the guy in a cave was related to anything. I was thinking it was an analogy to support your point.

Do you think Petrovic applies to All unvaccinated isolated people all over the world??

They all draw the same conclusions, all feel the same level of risk, and all are "happy" they got the vaccine?

Its testimonial propaganda and doesn't address individual people's situations.

If someone is not in contact with a person (more than six feet away) and don't go out at all hearing about the pandemic will have no direct affect on that person. They may read it on the internet and probably see or two people in their small town wear a mask (if that), but not severe enough to warrant the vaccine.

People take it just in case they get COVID but my point is they don't "have" to if they can assess the level of risk themselves not what they are told.

Do you have any idea how contagious covid actually is?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

People take it just in case they get COVID but my point is they don't "have" to if they can assess the level of risk themselves not what they are told.

Coming into contact with people outside of your household puts you at risk. If someone in your household has contact with people outside your household, you are at risk.
And there was no analogy or metaphor. Even a hermit who has very, very contact with the outside world understood the seriousness and severity of the disease and the need to take appropriate action.

 

[We Never Know]

Coming into contact with people outside of your household puts you at risk. If someone in your household has contact with people outside your household, you are at risk.
And there was no analogy or metaphor. Even a hermit who has very, very contact with the outside world understood the seriousness and severity of the disease and the need to take appropriate action.

"Coming into contact with people outside of your household puts you at risk. If someone in your household has contact with people outside your household, you are at risk."


That's true for both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Do you have any idea how contagious covid actually is?

I do. But my point is if there is no one around (you're in quarantine) and you don't have it you can't spread it.

If we have anxiety thinking everywhere we go, do, touch, and even breathe you may catch the virus people would go nuts if they have not already. People survived the virus (as per RF testimonies) and people have died from it. But if you're in isolated or quarantine lifestyle there's no use of thinking you going to catch it soon as you step from your door... then think someone twenty feet away can sneeze and infect you. There's no urgent reason to vaccinate if your lifestyle doesn't put you at immediate and constant risk of catching COVID. Doesn't hurt if one does (as in the article). It's not necessary.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Coming into contact with people outside of your household puts you at risk. If someone in your household has contact with people outside your household, you are at risk.
And there was no analogy or metaphor. Even a hermit who has very, very contact with the outside world understood the seriousness and severity of the disease and the need to take appropriate action.

Since some people are not in contact with others, they are not at risk.

If you see a person twenty feet away in a store with only two people in it you'd be a rare one to catch COVID from that the other two people.

The hermit doesn't represent every other person's lifestyle. Its a testimonial propaganda showing that no matter the situation people "should" take the vaccine.

It's taking a rare risk of catching it and blowing up that rarity as if it may be an everyday accuracy. It's making it seem like the hermit would have caught the virus if he didn't vaccine when the fact is he probably would never have due to his lifestyle.

Its thinking outside the box. Critical thinking.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"Coming into contact with people outside of your household puts you at risk. If someone in your household has contact with people outside your household, you are at risk."


That's true for both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Yes. But I wasn't arguing the point of vaccinated versus un, but rather what makes someone at risk. Which is basically nearly almost everyone as just about, almost nearly every single person has contract with other human beings in some form. So much so that even a hermit who has lived in a cave for 20 years still occasionally comes into contact with others and he got vaccinated.
And, yes, the risk is still there. But the odds are far more favorable when you're vaccinated.