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Creation according to the Islamic tradition and the Bible

Darren0803

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Firstly in the Islamic, Abu Hurairah reported that Allah's Messenger took hold of my hands and said:

Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and He caused the animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, i. e. between afternoon and night.
(Sahih Muslim: Arabic reference: Book 53, Hadith 7231)

From the above Islamic tradition, the order of creation is vague and conflicts with the Biblical account of creation. For example, the Bible has the sun created before all life forms, and puts the creation of sealife before the creation of the animals, although the Islamic tradition is void of the creation of sealife. Then there is the problem with the seven days of creation according to the Islamic tradition, because Muhammad mentioned the six days plus an additional day for the creation of Adam on Friday, whereby contradicting the six days of creation mentioned in the Bible, because it was on the 7th day (Saturday) that Almighty God finished His creation and established the Holy Sabbath day of rest.

Biblical Comparison

In chapter one of Genesis, the Bible states the following:

1 "In the beginning God created (bā·rā) the heavens and the earth"

Therefore through the separation of matter and expansion of combined materials, the galaxies, stars i.e. the sun, and planets were formed. Now with regards to the sun, chapter one of Genesis mentions the creation of light as follows:

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

From this, it important to note that in verse one the Hewbrew transliterated word bā·rā is used for created, I.e. God created the sun, which is confirmed in verse five because "evening and the morning were the first day", which was Sunday. Now in verse three, when God said “Let there be" (light), the Hebrew transliterated word used is hayah (yə·hî - יְהִ֣י), which according to Strong's 1961 means:

To fall out, come to pass, become, be

Therefore after God created (bā·rā) the sun in verse one, it was in verse three that through His power of speech i.e. God said, that He willed the sun to emit light. For example, according to NASA, light is emitted by "an elegant interaction powers the sun, producing the light and energy that makes life possible. That interaction is called fusion, and it naturally occurs when two atoms are heated and compressed so intensely that their nuclei merge into a new element."

Now although this was the first day in relation to time, Adam was not yet created, ,nor was he created on the 4th day. So what did God do on the 4th day according to chapter one of Genesis:

14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years... 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

From this it is important to note the sun was not created (bā·rā) in verse fourteen, instead the Hebrew transliterated word hayah (yə·hî - יְהִ֣י) is again used. Therefore it was again through the power of His speech i.e. God said, that He willed the celestial objects to perform there functions, I.e. the sun, to be or become signs and seasons, and for days and years.

Therefore when the Bible used the statement God said, it is clear that God was not creating, but instead using His power of speech to let the already created lights, So this shows that God's power of speech was His will that caused Therefore when God eventually created Adam on Friday, Adam would be able to mark the days as 24 hour periods.


Now, according to the Bible it was on the first day (Sunday) that Almighty God created (bā·rā) the sun, which is interesting when compared to the Islamic traditions, because on Wednesday Allah created the sun based on the Arabic transliterated word khalaq, which according to the Bible was the day that God willed the functioning of the celestial objects. Therefore the Bible shows a distinction between God's creative power and His will, which the Islamic tradition failed to make a distinction between, which causes a contradiction between the two texts, hence the Bible states that the sun was created (bā·rā) on Sunday, and the Islamic tradition claimed it was (khalaq) on Wednesday.
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
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If you begin reading religious creation texts by accepting them as literal rather mythical or metaphorical, you will never make any progress in making sense out of them.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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... hence the Bible states that the sun was created (bā·rā) on Sunday, and the Islamic tradition claimed it was (khalaq) on Wednesday.

Nope ...

וַיַּ֣עַשׂ אֱלֹהִ֔ים אֶת־שְׁנֵ֥י הַמְּאֹרֹ֖ת הַגְּדֹלִ֑ים אֶת־הַמָּא֤וֹר הַגָּדֹל֙ לְמֶמְשֶׁ֣לֶת הַיּ֔וֹם וְאֶת־הַמָּא֤וֹר הַקָּטֹן֙ לְמֶמְשֶׁ֣לֶת הַלַּ֔יְלָה וְאֵ֖ת הַכּוֹכָבִֽים׃

"God made the two great lights, the greater light to dominate the day and the lesser light to dominate the night, and the stars.

... the word used is 'asah - to make or fashion.
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Firstly in the Islamic, Abu Hurairah reported that Allah's Messenger took hold of my hands and said:

Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and He caused the animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, i. e. between afternoon and night.
(Sahih Muslim: Arabic reference: Book 53, Hadith 7231)

From the above Islamic tradition, the order of creation is vague and conflicts with the Biblical account of creation. For example, the Bible has the sun created before all life forms, and puts the creation of sealife before the creation of the animals, although the Islamic tradition is void of the creation of sealife. Then there is the problem with the seven days of creation according to the Islamic tradition, because Muhammad mentioned the six days plus an additional day for the creation of Adam on Friday, whereby contradicting the six days of creation mentioned in the Bible, because it was on the 7th day (Saturday) that Almighty God finished His creation and established the Holy Sabbath day of rest.

Biblical Comparison

In chapter one of Genesis, the Bible states the following:

1 "In the beginning God created (bā·rā) the heavens and the earth"

Therefore through the separation of matter and expansion of combined materials, the galaxies, stars i.e. the sun, and planets were formed. Now with regards to the sun, chapter one of Genesis mentions the creation of light as follows:

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

From this, it important to note that in verse one the Hewbrew transliterated word bā·rā is used for created, I.e. God created the sun, which is confirmed in verse five because "evening and the morning were the first day", which was Sunday. Now in verse three, when God said “Let there be" (light), the Hebrew transliterated word used is hayah (yə·hî - יְהִ֣י), which according to Strong's 1961 means:

To fall out, come to pass, become, be

Therefore after God created (bā·rā) the sun in verse one, it was in verse three that through His power of speech i.e. God said, that He willed the sun to emit light. For example, according to NASA, light is emitted by "an elegant interaction powers the sun, producing the light and energy that makes life possible. That interaction is called fusion, and it naturally occurs when two atoms are heated and compressed so intensely that their nuclei merge into a new element."

Now although this was the first day in relation to time, Adam was not yet created, ,nor was he created on the 4th day. So what did God do on the 4th day according to chapter one of Genesis:

14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years... 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

From this it is important to note the sun was not created (bā·rā) in verse fourteen, instead the Hebrew transliterated word hayah (yə·hî - יְהִ֣י) is again used. Therefore it was again through the power of His speech i.e. God said, that He willed the celestial objects to perform there functions, I.e. the sun, to be or become signs and seasons, and for days and years.

Therefore when the Bible used the statement God said, it is clear that God was not creating, but instead using His power of speech to let the already created lights, So this shows that God's power of speech was His will that caused Therefore when God eventually created Adam on Friday, Adam would be able to mark the days as 24 hour periods.


Now, according to the Bible it was on the first day (Sunday) that Almighty God created (bā·rā) the sun, which is interesting when compared to the Islamic traditions, because on Wednesday Allah created the sun based on the Arabic transliterated word khalaq, which according to the Bible was the day that God willed the functioning of the celestial objects. Therefore the Bible shows a distinction between God's creative power and His will, which the Islamic tradition failed to make a distinction between, which causes a contradiction between the two texts, hence the Bible states that the sun was created (bā·rā) on Sunday, and the Islamic tradition claimed it was (khalaq) on Wednesday.
I'm glad science has safely laid Biblical/Quranic literalism to rest in my view.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Sorry for any mistakes or misunderstandings. Do you agree that God made (way·ya·‘aś) the two luminous bodies out of the elements He created (ba'ra)?
No. Those are just they myths of Abrahamic religions. Other religions have their own myths. And of course there are explanations that show that no God is necessary.
 

Darren0803

Member
I thought that was in Genesis 1:14-19. Oh, well ...
Sorry for any mistakes or misunderstanding. Do you agree that God made (way·ya·‘aś) a luminary body, I.e. God fashioned the sun He already created (ba'ra) in Genesis 1:1? Because the Hebrew word, “asah” shows that God is active in His role of continuation for the things He already created. For example in verse 17, God set (literally, gave (way·yit·tên) them (i.e. sun, moon, and stars)) in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth.
 
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Darren0803

Member
No. Those are just they myths of Abrahamic religions. Other religions have their own myths. And of course there are explanations that show that no God is necessary.
Genesis points to different time factors. In the beginning God created the Heavens and earth. Could have been 4.5 billion years ago? Then the six days are God's will for fashioning His creation so everything functions according to an designed order. Is everything is relative?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Firstly in the Islamic, Abu Hurairah reported that Allah's Messenger took hold of my hands and said:

Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and He caused the animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, i. e. between afternoon and night.
(Sahih Muslim: Arabic reference: Book 53, Hadith 7231)

From the above Islamic tradition, the order of creation is vague and conflicts with the Biblical account of creation. For example, the Bible has the sun created before all life forms, and puts the creation of sealife before the creation of the animals, although the Islamic tradition is void of the creation of sealife. Then there is the problem with the seven days of creation according to the Islamic tradition, because Muhammad mentioned the six days plus an additional day for the creation of Adam on Friday, whereby contradicting the six days of creation mentioned in the Bible, because it was on the 7th day (Saturday) that Almighty God finished His creation and established the Holy Sabbath day of rest.

Biblical Comparison

In chapter one of Genesis, the Bible states the following:

1 "In the beginning God created (bā·rā) the heavens and the earth"

Therefore through the separation of matter and expansion of combined materials, the galaxies, stars i.e. the sun, and planets were formed. Now with regards to the sun, chapter one of Genesis mentions the creation of light as follows:

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

From this, it important to note that in verse one the Hewbrew transliterated word bā·rā is used for created, I.e. God created the sun, which is confirmed in verse five because "evening and the morning were the first day", which was Sunday. Now in verse three, when God said “Let there be" (light), the Hebrew transliterated word used is hayah (yə·hî - יְהִ֣י), which according to Strong's 1961 means:

To fall out, come to pass, become, be

Therefore after God created (bā·rā) the sun in verse one, it was in verse three that through His power of speech i.e. God said, that He willed the sun to emit light. For example, according to NASA, light is emitted by "an elegant interaction powers the sun, producing the light and energy that makes life possible. That interaction is called fusion, and it naturally occurs when two atoms are heated and compressed so intensely that their nuclei merge into a new element."

Now although this was the first day in relation to time, Adam was not yet created, ,nor was he created on the 4th day. So what did God do on the 4th day according to chapter one of Genesis:

14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years... 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

From this it is important to note the sun was not created (bā·rā) in verse fourteen, instead the Hebrew transliterated word hayah (yə·hî - יְהִ֣י) is again used. Therefore it was again through the power of His speech i.e. God said, that He willed the celestial objects to perform there functions, I.e. the sun, to be or become signs and seasons, and for days and years.

Therefore when the Bible used the statement God said, it is clear that God was not creating, but instead using His power of speech to let the already created lights, So this shows that God's power of speech was His will that caused Therefore when God eventually created Adam on Friday, Adam would be able to mark the days as 24 hour periods.


Now, according to the Bible it was on the first day (Sunday) that Almighty God created (bā·rā) the sun, which is interesting when compared to the Islamic traditions, because on Wednesday Allah created the sun based on the Arabic transliterated word khalaq, which according to the Bible was the day that God willed the functioning of the celestial objects. Therefore the Bible shows a distinction between God's creative power and His will, which the Islamic tradition failed to make a distinction between, which causes a contradiction between the two texts, hence the Bible states that the sun was created (bā·rā) on Sunday, and the Islamic tradition claimed it was (khalaq) on Wednesday.
No two creation muths are the same.
None are true.
Whats your point.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Sorry for any mistakes or misunderstanding.
It's not a problem. It was a simple formatting error, one that I've made more than once.

Do you agree that God made (way·ya·‘aś) a luminary body, I.e. God fashioned the sun He already created (ba'ra) in Genesis 1:1?
No. There is a difference between creating light and fashioning the sun out of pre-created material -- a difference that one can also find in modern science. Parenthetically, you wrote:
"God made (way·ya·‘aś); the "way" is the prefixed conjunction "and" in the phrase "and-made Elohim."

As for your previous question:
What does your Bible say?
See, for example, here. Modern Jewish translations of Hebrew text tend to render the opening verse as being in what's called the construct state.
 

sayak83

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Staff member
Premium Member
Firstly in the Islamic, Abu Hurairah reported that Allah's Messenger took hold of my hands and said:

Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and He caused the animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, i. e. between afternoon and night.
(Sahih Muslim: Arabic reference: Book 53, Hadith 7231)

From the above Islamic tradition, the order of creation is vague and conflicts with the Biblical account of creation. For example, the Bible has the sun created before all life forms, and puts the creation of sealife before the creation of the animals, although the Islamic tradition is void of the creation of sealife. Then there is the problem with the seven days of creation according to the Islamic tradition, because Muhammad mentioned the six days plus an additional day for the creation of Adam on Friday, whereby contradicting the six days of creation mentioned in the Bible, because it was on the 7th day (Saturday) that Almighty God finished His creation and established the Holy Sabbath day of rest.

Biblical Comparison

In chapter one of Genesis, the Bible states the following:

1 "In the beginning God created (bā·rā) the heavens and the earth"

Therefore through the separation of matter and expansion of combined materials, the galaxies, stars i.e. the sun, and planets were formed. Now with regards to the sun, chapter one of Genesis mentions the creation of light as follows:

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

From this, it important to note that in verse one the Hewbrew transliterated word bā·rā is used for created, I.e. God created the sun, which is confirmed in verse five because "evening and the morning were the first day", which was Sunday. Now in verse three, when God said “Let there be" (light), the Hebrew transliterated word used is hayah (yə·hî - יְהִ֣י), which according to Strong's 1961 means:

To fall out, come to pass, become, be

Therefore after God created (bā·rā) the sun in verse one, it was in verse three that through His power of speech i.e. God said, that He willed the sun to emit light. For example, according to NASA, light is emitted by "an elegant interaction powers the sun, producing the light and energy that makes life possible. That interaction is called fusion, and it naturally occurs when two atoms are heated and compressed so intensely that their nuclei merge into a new element."

Now although this was the first day in relation to time, Adam was not yet created, ,nor was he created on the 4th day. So what did God do on the 4th day according to chapter one of Genesis:

14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years... 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

From this it is important to note the sun was not created (bā·rā) in verse fourteen, instead the Hebrew transliterated word hayah (yə·hî - יְהִ֣י) is again used. Therefore it was again through the power of His speech i.e. God said, that He willed the celestial objects to perform there functions, I.e. the sun, to be or become signs and seasons, and for days and years.

Therefore when the Bible used the statement God said, it is clear that God was not creating, but instead using His power of speech to let the already created lights, So this shows that God's power of speech was His will that caused Therefore when God eventually created Adam on Friday, Adam would be able to mark the days as 24 hour periods.


Now, according to the Bible it was on the first day (Sunday) that Almighty God created (bā·rā) the sun, which is interesting when compared to the Islamic traditions, because on Wednesday Allah created the sun based on the Arabic transliterated word khalaq, which according to the Bible was the day that God willed the functioning of the celestial objects. Therefore the Bible shows a distinction between God's creative power and His will, which the Islamic tradition failed to make a distinction between, which causes a contradiction between the two texts, hence the Bible states that the sun was created (bā·rā) on Sunday, and the Islamic tradition claimed it was (khalaq) on Wednesday.
So...we are discussing if the Sun...the Sun!...was created on a Sunday or a Wednesday??!!
I need a beer.
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Genesis points to different time factors. In the beginning God created the Heavens and earth. Could have been 4.5 billion years ago? Then the six days are God's will for fashioning His creation so everything functions according to an designed order. Is everything is relative?
Genesis has two different accounts, both wrong, and what you are trying to do now is to reinterpret the myths in light of what we know today.
 
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