Creation and Evolution

[garrydons]

I believe in God and Evolution. So for me there is no problem.

will you please elaborate your answer. Thanks

 

[garrydons]

with regards to SaintAugustine's comment,

How can we both believe in God and at the same time believe in evolution where in fact evolution is a totally separate thing based on the meaning of evolution given below and I quote "evolution is through unguided naturalistic processes" which simply means that their is no God who guides it.

"Common usage of the word "evolution" is the idea that living things in our world have come into being through unguided naturalistic processes starting from a primeval mass of subatomic particles and radiation, over approximately 20 billion years."

 

[tumbleweed41]

The Theory of Evolution, and Biological Evolution, have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a God exists. God is a theological concern, while biological evolution is a fact of science.

For instance, I believe that a deistic concept of God exists. I also accept that biological evolution is a scientific fact, while the Theory of Evolution explains the mechanisms of biological evolution.

I believe abiogenesis is the mechanism for the origins of life in our universe.

 

[Madhuri]

Good day thanks for your diverse opinions regarding the subject matter on hand. Basing on some given statements, am I right to say that evolution is the process of creation? Or they are just separate issues?

It is a process of creation, imo.

 

[garrydons]

To: Madhuri

Since evolution is the process of creation, does this mean it is true that man came from apes? as Darwin's theory of evolution teaches?

 

[Skwim]

am I right to say that evolution is the process of creation? Or they are just separate issues?

Evolution is the process of CHANGE, not ultimate origination. As has been pointed out several times now, evolution is silent on the origins of life; it only addresses the significant changes that arise among organisms; most commonly those changes involving the generation of new species.

How can we both believe in God and at the same time believe in evolution where in fact evolution is a totally separate thing based on the meaning of evolution given below and I quote "evolution is through unguided naturalistic processes" which simply means that their is no God who guides it.

I imagine the theistic evolutionist doesn't require god to guide absolutely everything that goes on in the universe. He probably believes that god established the laws by which evolution operates and has then left the process to continue on its own.

"Common usage of the word "evolution" is the idea that living things in our world have come into being through unguided naturalistic processes starting from a primeval mass of subatomic particles and radiation, over approximately 20 billion years."

Don't know where you came by such a strange "common usage," but it's one I've never seen, and I've been around the issue for some time now---Got a source for your quote? In any case, it's a gross misstatement, if not a gross misunderstanding. Here is a far better explanation of "evolution,"

a. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
source: thefreedictionary.com
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[Satyamavejayanti]

Skwim;2835762]
I imagine the theistic evolutionist doesn't require god to guide absolutely everything that goes on in the universe. He probably believes that god established the laws by which evolution operates and has then left the process to continue on its own.

Im a Theist, and I agree with what you said above.

 

[Skwim]

To: Madhuri

Since evolution is the process of creation, does this mean it is true that man came from apes? as Darwin's theory of evolution teaches?

Madhuri has left the site so . . . .

Yes it is true. In fact, man is considered a member of the tribe Hominini of the Hominidae family. Hominini also contains the chimpanzees (pan). Here is a diagram of our relationship to the other primates (Homos are humans.)

So, as can be seen, we share our family with chimps, gorillas, and orangutans

As for when the human branch split from the others, consider:

Im a Theist, and I agree with what you said above.

Thank you for confirming my understanding.

 

[Agnostic75]

.......evolution teaches that everything just evolved without the benefit of a Creator.

Evolution does not address how life began, only how it changed after it began. Millions of theists of various religions accept theistic evolution. Whether evolution is naturalistic, or theistic, it very probably occurs.

 

[Night&Day]

A Creator is the key to life. Man can not mate (proCREATE) with a a monkey or ape. One would have to ask, if man evolved from apes or monkeys, then monkeys would have had to bare (evolve) more than one human child... at least a male and a female with the ability to replicate.

The origin of life is a Blue Print... DNA: YHWH's Blue Print for life.
Nothing actually evolves, as scientist wants us to believe. The blueprint/DNA are manipulated by off and on switches. Can an accident/nothing/ chaos CREATE such a complexity, such as DNA? THINK! REASON! THINK!

 

[Skwim]

A Creator is the key to life. Man can not mate (proCREATE) with a a monkey or ape. One would have to ask, if man evolved from apes or monkeys, then monkeys would have had to bare (evolve) more than one human child... at least a male and a female with the ability to replicate.

The origin of life is a Blue Print... DNA: YHWH's Blue Print for life.
Nothing actually evolves, as scientist wants us to believe. The blueprint/DNA are manipulated by off and on switches. Can an accident/nothing/ chaos CREATE such a complexity, such as DNA? THINK! REASON! THINK!

I suggest you familiarize yourself with the genetic reproductive process. Then take a look at Modern evolutionary synthesis

 

[garrydons]

To: Skwim

if these is the case, evolution contradicts with how God create man if we take the Bible as reference. Since man did not came from apes but just out of the ground. Apes are distinct from humans. What do you think?

 

[Skwim]

To: Skwim

if these is the case, evolution contradicts with how God create man if we take the Bible as reference. Since man did not came from apes but just out of the ground. Apes are distinct from humans. What do you think?

Take your pick.

1) God essentially *poofed* people into existence a few thousand years ago

2) People evolved from primates with the assistance of god

3) People evolved from primates without the assistance of god

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Personally, I go with number 3


By the way, "ape" is a rather imprecise term and isn't a good one for discussing the primates.

 

[garrydons]

To: Skwim

Then where did the primates came from?

 

[Skwim]

To: Skwim

Then where did the primates came from?

HERE is an excellent explanation of the entire evolution as best we understand it.. Scroll down to "Timeline."

 

[tumbleweed41]

A Creator is the key to life. Man can not mate (proCREATE) with a a monkey or ape. One would have to ask, if man evolved from apes or monkeys, then monkeys would have had to bare (evolve) more than one human child... at least a male and a female with the ability to replicate.

First off, your idea of how biological evolution works is completely wrong.
Man did not evolve from apes or monkeys. Humans, apes and monkey share a common ancestor.
Biological evolution is a gradual process, a human baby was not suddenly born to an apelike mother.
The transition from Ardipithecus to Homo erctus itself took over two million years.

 

[BruceDLimber]

>Which do you think is correct, creation of evolution?

How about both?!

Bruce

 

[garrydons]

To: Skwim

How did the evolutionists got these various dates in millions of years? Are they sure of these? Cell with a Nucleus seems to came out 2 millions plus years ago. Beyond this period can evolution explained what had happened?

 

[tumbleweed41]

To: Skwim

How did the evolutionists got these various dates in millions of years? Are they sure of these? Cell with a Nucleus seems to came out 2 millions plus years ago. Beyond this period can evolution explained what had happened?

Actually, it is estimated that eukaryotic cells developed at least 2 to 3.5 billion years ago.

 

[Night&Day]

I suggest you familiarize yourself with the genetic reproductive process. Then take a look at Modern evolutionary synthesis

DNA, Where did it come /evolve from?

It was created....