Creation and Evolution

[sojourner]

with regards to SaintAugustine's comment,

How can we both believe in God and at the same time believe in evolution where in fact evolution is a totally separate thing based on the meaning of evolution given below and I quote "evolution is through unguided naturalistic processes" which simply means that their is no God who guides it.

"Common usage of the word "evolution" is the idea that living things in our world have come into being through unguided naturalistic processes starting from a primeval mass of subatomic particles and radiation, over approximately 20 billion years."

Perhaps God is embodied by the process whereby the big bang occurred and whereby life was initiated.

 

[sojourner]

I imagine the theistic evolutionist doesn't require god to guide absolutely everything that goes on in the universe. He probably believes that god established the laws by which evolution operates and has then left the process to continue on its own.

That's pretty close to what I believe. Although I would say that God is revealed within natural law, and that God is embodied in the exuberant chance that created the specific conditions under which life was enabled to develop.

 

[sojourner]

A Creator is the key to life. Man can not mate (proCREATE) with a a monkey or ape. One would have to ask, if man evolved from apes or monkeys, then monkeys would have had to bare (evolve) more than one human child... at least a male and a female with the ability to replicate.

The origin of life is a Blue Print... DNA: YHWH's Blue Print for life.
Nothing actually evolves, as scientist wants us to believe. The blueprint/DNA are manipulated by off and on switches. Can an accident/nothing/ chaos CREATE such a complexity, such as DNA? THINK! REASON! THINK!

Or, maybe it was a chance occurrence of disparate forces that coalesced into a certain condition whereby life was possible...

 

[sojourner]

To: Skwim

if these is the case, evolution contradicts with how God create man if we take the Bible as reference. Since man did not came from apes but just out of the ground. Apes are distinct from humans. What do you think?

No it doesn't. The creation stories in Genesis are allegorical, not literalistic.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

I was told that.... as well, the bible is consistent with what I was told; man was created and then woman was created from man... DNA.

Any God could have done that. What makes it your God, specifically, except for a possibly plageuristic claim by him?

 

[Night&Day]

Any God could have done that. What makes it your God, specifically, except for a possibly plageuristic claim by him?

OK. A God created DNA…

DNA didn’t create itself.

 

[CarlinKnew]

OK. A God created DNA…

DNA didn’t create itself.

Really, are those the only two options you can think of?

 

[Night&Day]

Really, are those the only two options you can think of?

Do You have others, then share them?

 

[CarlinKnew]

Do You have others, then share them?

How about, some things happened, and DNA was the result of those events?

 

[Night&Day]

How about, some things happened, and DNA was the result of those events?

hmmm... What somethings happened and What event did those somethings happened to do?

 

[CarlinKnew]

hmmm... What somethings happened and What event did those somethings happened to do?

You can research it. I'm saying that "DNA created itself or God did it" are not the only options. How could something create itself anyway? It would need to exist before it was created...

 

[Night&Day]

You can research it. I'm saying that "DNA created itself or God did it" are not the only options. How could something create itself anyway? It would need to exist before it was created...

Research what? something happened?

I said, DNA did NOT create itself.

So what are your other options, If God did not create DNA?

Something happened is not an option.

 

[CarlinKnew]

Research what? something happened?

How bout... the origin of DNA.

 

[PolyHedral]

You can research it. I'm saying that "DNA created itself or God did it" are not the only options. How could something create itself anyway? It would need to exist before it was created...

Well, that's not hard if non-linear time is allowed.

hmmm... What somethings happened and What event did those somethings happened to do?

Molecules began to self-replicate, and the self-replicators drove out all the other configurations.

 

[CarlinKnew]

Well, that's not hard if non-linear time is allowed.

Ah of course man, of course. Pass me the bong.

 

[Looncall]

"13.7 billion years - Formation of hydrogen and helium in Big Bang" (NASA)

What Big Bang? What proof do they have that a "Big Bang" happened "13.7 billion years ago"?

"4.9 billion years - Oldest meteorite forms
4.58 billion years - Most consistent age for formation of sun
4.54 billion years - Age of Earth" (NASA)

Where are their proofs?

How about reading up on a little modern science? Even a general popular book would help you avoid making yourself look ridiculous.

I am part way through a most entertaining book called A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson. I can recommend it for a start.

I am amazed how confident religious ignoramuses are about things of which they know nothing.

 

[Night&Day]

How about reading up on a little modern science? Even a general popular book would help you avoid making yourself look ridiculous.

I am part way through a most entertaining book called A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson. I can recommend it for a start.

I am amazed how confident religious ignoramuses are about things of which they know nothing.

Instead of saying absolutely NOTHING, why didn’t you just answer the question, where is NASA’s proof, in regards to the billions of years?

If you are at least half intelligent, you should be able to answer it.

 

[Night&Day]

Well, that's not hard if non-linear time is allowed.


Molecules began to self-replicate, and the self-replicators drove out all the other configurations.

So you're saying that DNA was created by a molecule that was super intelligent to devise a way to self replicate itself to become molecules, and it created something called self-replicators, which removed other configurations? What other configurations did the molecule have?

 

[McBell]

So you're saying that DNA was created by a molecule that was super intelligent to devise a way to self replicate itself to become molecules, and it created something called self-replicators, which removed other configurations? What other configurations did the molecule have?

What I find interesting is that you are so stuck on the word "created" that you cannot see the forest through the trees.

 

[Night&Day]

How bout... the origin of DNA.

I was directed to a link about that. The origin of DNA as for evolution is pure theory. I don't like theories.