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Creation and Evolution

CarlinKnew

CarlinKnew

Well-Known Member
Night&Day said:
It means that an idea has merit, but because it cannot be proven truth, it remains an idea, not reality or truth…
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Yep, you're clueless. haha

But really though, I hope you'll spend a couple minutes learning what a scientific theory really is.
 
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Night&Day

Member
Looncall said:
Here is a web site that describes this.

WMAP- Age of the Universe

One method described uses the distribution of types of stars in distant globular cluster galaxies to compute an age for the universe.

Another method not mentioned there uses the observed distibution of primordial radioisotopes. It is known how they are formed in stars. The fact that isotopes with half lives below a certain value are not found on earth indicates that the matter that makes up the earth is old enough for those isotopes to have decayed.

I'm not sure why you are so fixated on NASA. There are experts in other places too.
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How far is our sun and how long does it take us to see it?

My point is, we cannot tell the age of any universe by its star/s. That theory needs to be dismantled and or updated, because, Stars are “born” daily.

In order to figure out if the readings of those isotopes are accurate enough to determine true age of the earth or anything, they must have a REFERENCE POINT. Without out it, it is mere speculations.
 
Looncall

Looncall

Well-Known Member
Night&Day said:
How far is our sun and how long does it take us to see it?

My point is, we cannot tell the age of any universe by its star/s. That theory needs to be dismantled and or updated, because, Stars are “born” daily.

In order to figure out if the readings of those isotopes are accurate enough to determine true age of the earth or anything, they must have a REFERENCE POINT. Without out it, it is mere speculations.
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The sun is about 150,000,000 kilometers away. Light from the sun takes a bit less than 9 minutes to reach us. So what?

Of course stars are formed all the time. So what? How many universes are you aware of?

What is a reference point? This is mere nonsense.

For your information, I am a nuclear scientist (a radiochemist). Your vague rantings cut no ice with me.
 
PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
Night&Day said:
How far is our sun and how long does it take us to see it?

My point is, we cannot tell the age of any universe by its star/s. That theory needs to be dismantled and or updated, because, Stars are “born” daily.

In order to figure out if the readings of those isotopes are accurate enough to determine true age of the earth or anything, they must have a REFERENCE POINT. Without out it, it is mere speculations.
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They have one: they know the decay rates.
 
shawn001

shawn001

Well-Known Member
garrydons said:
to be specific, if we believe in evolution, what is the origin of everything? it just evolve? what is its source? Just from nowhere? where did life first came from?
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This is a "picutre of the oldest light in the universe" before any stars or galaxies existed at all. Everything has evolved from that point on, the heavy elements, stars galaxies and life.

WMAP 1 Year Mission Results Press Release

http://cosmos.lbl.gov/Images/resizenowmap.jpg

http://sos.noaa.gov/images/Solar_System/wmap.jpg
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
CarlinKnew said:
Oh really? What's the difference between a scientific theory that is proven, and a scientific theory that is unproven? You don't know what you're talkin about bro. Maybe it's time to open your eyes and actually look into this stuff.
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A scientific theory that is unproven is called a "hypothesis."
 
CarlinKnew

CarlinKnew

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
A scientific theory that is unproven is called a "hypothesis."
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Nah that's not a very good way to put it, because there's no such thing as a proven or unproven scientific theory. There's a hypothesis, and then there's a scientific theory. I merely asked that question to demonstrate that guy's ignorance.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
CarlinKnew said:
Nah that's not a very good way to put it, because there's no such thing as a proven or unproven scientific theory. There's a hypothesis, and then there's a scientific theory. I merely asked that question to demonstrate that guy's ignorance.
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Willful ignorance, methinks.
 
shawn001

shawn001

Well-Known Member
shawn001 said:
This is a "picutre of the oldest light in the universe" before any stars or galaxies existed at all. Everything has evolved from that point on, the heavy elements, stars galaxies and life.

WMAP 1 Year Mission Results Press Release

http://cosmos.lbl.gov/Images/resizenowmap.jpg

http://sos.noaa.gov/images/Solar_System/wmap.jpg
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Again, This is a "picutre of the oldest light in the universe" before any stars or galaxies existed at all. Everything has evolved from that point on, the heavy elements, stars galaxies and life.
 
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garrydons

Member
To: Shawn001. Just because "This is a picture of the oldest light in the universe" does not prove that it is indeed the oldest. Yes it may seem the oldest but only according too man's discovery. How about beyond that point. The great possibility is there that there is beyond what can human discover or reach. Knowing the undeniable fact that human knowledge is limited.
 
PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
garrydons said:
To: Shawn001. Just because "This is a picture of the oldest light in the universe" does not prove that it is indeed the oldest. Yes it may seem the oldest but only according too man's discovery. How about beyond that point. The great possibility is there that there is beyond what can human discover or reach. Knowing the undeniable fact that human knowledge is limited.
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Beyond that point is a white-hot... stuff that is completely opaque to all radiation. (And too chaotic for any sort of structure to survive) Beyond that is the Big Bang itself. There is no beyond the Big Bang.
 
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