Creation and Evolution

[painted wolf]

I'm not trying to do anything.

A person's subjective experience with invisible gods will never be proof to people that don't believe in invisible gods.

That's because "proof" outside of math, logic and liquor is a pretty useless concept.

There will also never be enough "proof" to show that President Obama isn't a secret Kenyan muslim commie nazi as far as "birthers" are concerned.

Humans are very poor judges of "proof" and are prone to all kinds of cognitive biases.

wa:do

 

[Ingledsva]

Feelings generally are exempt from most people's skeptical incredulity.

If I tell most people I have faith in the fundamental decency of my fellow humans, that I love the sound of eagles, or that I think Mozart's requiem is the greatest piece of music ever written, they will believe me without proof. Perhaps you have higher standards?

All of those are things we can see, hear, test, etc.

We are talking about their belief in an invisible god, AND that Christianity is a proselyzing religion. They tell us me have to believe, they try to get their religious ideas into government, they bang on our doors, etc.

If they just held the beliefs there would be no need for proof. However, since they are trying to force it onto others, real proof rather then subjective experience is needed.

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[Heathen Hammer]

Evolution or creationism we do not know. Of course i have to revolve around my own prejudices, conditionings or affectations or programmings. No new ideas come from and what i said mine is not mine at all.

Mm, no, we are pretty damn sure it's evolution.

People just think they can argue against it because they have an emotional investment in their religion, which has a fringe movement telling them there's actually a chance... but that idea is a lie, foisted on those who don't understand the science.

 

[George-ananda]

Which do you think is correct, Creation or Evolution.

I say both. Evolution is how the intelligence of nature creates.

 

[Alceste]

All of those are things we can see, hear, test, etc.

We are talking about their belief in an invisible god, AND that Christianity is a proselyzing religion. They tell us me have to believe, they try to get their religious ideas into government, they bang on our doors, etc.

If they just held the beliefs there would be no need for proof. However, since they are trying to force it onto others, real proof rather then subjective experience is needed.

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Love is invisible too, but we believe in it.

I do wish you'd stop bringing the subject of theism in general back to Christianity. There are not only hundreds of other theistic religions in the world, there are also hundreds of different sects of Christianity. Many of them are not trying to cram anything down anybody else's throat. That's basically just the Catholic clergy. A-hyuck a-hyuck.

 

[Ingledsva]

All of those are things we can see, hear, test, etc.

We are talking about their belief in an invisible god, AND that Christianity is a proselyzing religion. They tell us me have to believe, they try to get their religious ideas into government, they bang on our doors, etc.

If they just held the beliefs there would be no need for proof. However, since they are trying to force it onto others, real proof rather then subjective experience is needed.

Love is invisible too, but we believe in it.

Love is brain chemistry, which I do appreciate.

I do wish you'd stop bringing the subject of theism in general back to Christianity.

As I said, the original post specifies thus. Plus as I also said. There is no reason to ask for proof when the "believer" does not expect you to believe as they do. That drops it to only a few religions.

There are not only hundreds of other theistic religions in the world, there are also hundreds of different sects of Christianity. Many of them are not trying to cram anything down anybody else's throat. That's basically just the Catholic clergy. A-hyuck a-hyuck.

LOL. I've actually never had a Catholic bang on my door, or disturb my night out, or proselytize on corners while trying to hand me pamphlets, etc. But they do try to get their religious laws into secular law.

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[Alceste]

Love is brain chemistry, which I do appreciate.



As I said, the original post specifies thus. Plus as I also said. There is no reason to ask for proof when the "believer" does not expect you to believe as they do. That drops it to only a few religions.



LOL. I've actually never had a Catholic bang on my door, or disturb my night out, or proselytize on corners while trying to hand me pamphlets, etc. But they do try to get their religious laws into secular law.

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They also kidnap and enslave pretty Irish girls and chop the balls off Dutch boys who report being molested by priests. The catholic church is corrupt and immoral to its core. I'd rather be preached at by those hellfire people. Fortunately we don't have many of either around here. Just hippies.

But all that is beside the point. I think the OP was just giving a f'rinstance. As in, "some people believe the universe was created a few thousand years ago, f'rinstance some Christians and what-not".

I don't see him around in this thread any more.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Which do you think is correct, Creation or Evolution. Religion especially Judaism and Christianity teaches that man and everything in this world is created by a Super natural Being, a Creator called God. While evolution teaches that everything just evolve without the benefit of a Creator. Your answer is very much appreciated.

Judaism has a text that is widely misconstrued to 'Teach' that; and Christianity by inheritance has a following of people who insist that it does teach that. It doesn't, however; not that it is the subject being discussed. I was once in the fringe and was taught in primary school that all things were created instantaneaously over a six day period, but it was through study of Christianity and of Judaism in combination with the Sciences that I relented. Science helped me to understand Christianity better. Science, particularly the subject of Neural Networks, enabled me to accept that I had been mislead about evolution and many other things.

Neural Networks, baby. That's the scary stuff.

recommended book: Apprentices of Wonder

 

[chinu]

Which do you think is correct, Creation or Evolution. Religion especially Judaism and Christianity teaches that man and everything in this world is created by a Super natural Being, a Creator called God. While evolution teaches that everything just evolve without the benefit of a Creator. Your answer is very much appreciated.

Firstly god created evloution, and further everthing including this thread is evolving from that evloution.