Creation of a God

[idea]

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The Creation of God.
Is the creation of a “God” not the work of a “Magician”? Is it not possible that the majority of the world was deceived by a person or group of people that created God and the principles to live by? Is creating a God and principles for the human-race to live by, and creating “fear” of this God for motivation for these people to live under these principles of “God” and form these principles according to the individual’s (who created this “God&#8221 Will, not “black magic”?

God wouldn't be a "deity", God would be an Idea.

I just can't resist... as my name here is "idea"...

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. - Psalms82:6

The power of an idea...
wha's the difference between a rock, and a living being?
the difference? one has ideas, the other does not...
Where do these ideas come from?
ideas do not come out of thin air, they are generated by somnething.

Sometimes I think ideas are the only things that are real. Matter consists of atoms which consist mostly of nothingness - really, everything breaks down into being energy (e=mc^2) and information... if everything is made up of energy and information... there is no such thing as "just" an idea.

 

[Misty]

I believe the God/gods that form the basis for religion in this world are a creation of the human mind. A deity might exist somewhere, but I very much doubt humans are in touch with it.

 

[idea]

I believe the God/gods that form the basis for religion in this world are a creation of the human mind.

Where did the idea come from?

The majority of humans are instinctively drawn to God - countless people of all cultures, continents, languages, and religions, have lived and died for God - where did this instinct come from? sometimes I get thirsty - the idea of wanting water gets into my head. ppl can correctly say that I created the idea "I'm thirsty" but there is a reason this idea is there. I'm thirsty because water really does exist, and I really do need it to survive. I think the idea of God is the same. The idea is there because God really does exist, and we really do need Him to have Meaning and Purpose in life - that life is more than the here and now.

A deity might exist somewhere, but I very much doubt humans are in touch with it.

Why don't you think humans are in touch? Do you think no human was ever in touch? or just most humans are not in touch?... I would agree that most humans are not in touch.
- most, not all.

 

[Misty]

Where did the idea come from?

The majority of humans are instinctively drawn to God - countless people of all cultures, continents, languages, and religions, have lived and died for God - where did this instinct come from? sometimes I get thirsty - the idea of wanting water gets into my head. ppl can correctly say that I created the idea "I'm thirsty" but there is a reason this idea is there. I'm thirsty because water really does exist, and I really do need it to survive. I think the idea of God is the same. The idea is there because God really does exist, and we really do need Him to have Meaning and Purpose in life - that life is more than the here and now.



Why don't you think humans are in touch? Do you think no human was ever in touch? or just most humans are not in touch?... I would agree that most humans are not in touch.
- most, not all.

The human brain is capable of creating anything it likes, it doesn't mean the products of its imagination exist outside of the brain. Besides which, the concept of it deity/ies have many different forms, just think how many religions there are in this world. If humans had all come up with the same idea then maybe there might just be some mileage in the existence of a deity.

 

[idea]

If humans had all come up with the same idea then maybe there might just be some mileage in the existence of a deity.

but they did all come up with the same idea - they all agree that there is a higher power, and the vast majority of them agree on moral issues

link

 

[Misty]

but they did all come up with the same idea - they all agree that there is a higher power, and the vast majority of them agree on moral issues

link

But they all have different ideas of what the so called higher power is like.

 

[idea]

But they all have different ideas of what the so called higher power is like.

Talk to 5 of my friends, they all have different opinions of what I'm like too

 

[Noaidi]

Idea

So how do you account for the differences in people's perceptions of a 'higher power'? Are you saying that fundamentally everyone believes in the same deity but chooses to worship it in different ways?

 

[Tathagata]

Where did the idea come from?

The majority of humans are instinctively drawn to God - countless people of all cultures, continents, languages, and religions, have lived and died for God - where did this instinct come from? sometimes I get thirsty - the idea of wanting water gets into my head. ppl can correctly say that I created the idea "I'm thirsty" but there is a reason this idea is there. I'm thirsty because water really does exist, and I really do need it to survive. I think the idea of God is the same. The idea is there because God really does exist, and we really do need Him to have Meaning and Purpose in life - that life is more than the here and now.

This argument doesn't work. I don't desire, want, or need a God at all in my life. In fact, the existence of God would be a burden to me.

The problem is we ALL get thirsty and water does exist, but we don't ALL have the need for God so the analogy fails.

Also, the want for God isn't a thirst, the want for God is like the want for being able to fly. Just because people want things to be true or want them to exist, doesn't mean the things they desire necessarily exist. Muslims want there to be 72 virgins in heaven so do you also believe that exists too?



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[Tathagata]

but they did all come up with the same idea - they all agree that there is a higher power, and the vast majority of them agree on moral issues

link

No, actually they don't all agree.

- Christians believe in Yahweh who manifests as Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father.

- Muslims believe in Allah who is One, not a Trinity.

- Hindus believe in an impersonal God, Brahman, the Absolute, who manifests as hundreds of gods, one of which is Brahma, the omnipotent creator God (similar to Yahweh. So the Hindus believe in a God even higher and greater than the Christian God, because Brahman is higher up and greater than an omnipotent creator.).

- Buddhists believe in no God and that Ultimate Reality is Empty.

- Taoists believe in the Tao. (Your link seemed to link Taoism with Christianity which is absurd because the Tao doesn't talk, the Christian God does.)

- Bahai's believe in a God, but not one that creates as the universe and God exist simultaneously for eternity.

So how can you even think to claim that all religions have the same idea about God???



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[idea]

So how can you even think to claim that all religions have the same idea about God???
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All religions believe in a higher power.

I'm not a UU, but I do believe that all religions contain some truth, if there was no truth in it, then it would not last...


math...

some mathematicians like to add
some mathematicians like to subtract
some mathematicians like to multiply
some mathematicians like to divide
some mathematicians like to graph equations
some mathematicians like to use calculus…

or me
I talk with some of my friends about music
I go jogging with some of my friends
I watch movies with some of my friends
I read books with friends in my book club
I watch meteor showers with others (btw- this Thursday after 2AM should have some stuff to watch in the sky)

I do different things with different people, because I respect their likes / dislikes / personalities.. it’s not just about me, it’s about them and what they need too.

I think God interacts with different groups of people differently, just like we all do.

 

[idea]

This argument doesn't work. I don't desire, want, or need a God at all in my life. In fact, the existence of God would be a burden to me.

Why would the existence of anyone be a burden to you?

Anyways, we all have different needs/wants. Some ppl are very close to their families, others are not. Some ppl decide to get married, others choose to be single. You do not need to have a relashonship with God if you choose not to - many of us however, choose to get to know Him...

What are you going to live for? Many of us find that the best thing to live for, is one another... and if you are going to live for someone else, the best person to live for is someone who is pure love.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Hello all!
I just can't resist... as my name here is "idea"...
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. - Psalms82:6

The power of an idea...
wha's the difference between a rock, and a living being?
the difference? one has ideas, the other does not...
Where do these ideas come from?
ideas do not come out of thin air, they are generated by somnething.
Sometimes I think ideas are the only things that are real. Matter consists of atoms which consist mostly of nothingness - really, everything breaks down into being energy (e=mc^2) and information... if everything is made up of energy and information... there is no such thing as "just" an idea.

According to Isaiah 40v26 God is the source of that energy.

Psalm 82 is talking about: judges. Please see verse one.

Since the judges of Israel were to act in the capacity and be spokesmen representing God that is why they could be called gods in carrying out God's judgment on matters.

See also Exodus 4v16.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

No, actually they don't all agree.
- Christians believe in Yahweh who manifests as Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father.
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Jesus did Not believe he was Yahweh who manifests as Jesus.......
At Rev 2v18 Jesus considers himself to be the Son of God.
God's heavenly firstborn.- Col 1vs15,16
Jesus believed he was, according to Rev 3v14 b, the beginning of the creation by God.
God has no Creator.
God is uncreated.
God is un-begotten.
God has no beginning.
God has no father.
The Tetragrammaton [YHWH] is not applied to Jesus name but to God's name.

 

[Twig pentagram]

Hello all!
I woulde like to move this thread - or at least create another one in the gen debate area so that everyone can participate.

from:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/left-hand-path-religions-dir/102050-creation-god.html



I just can't resist... as my name here is "idea"...

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. - Psalms82:6

The power of an idea...
wha's the difference between a rock, and a living being?
the difference? one has ideas, the other does not...
Where do these ideas come from?
ideas do not come out of thin air, they are generated by somnething.

Sometimes I think ideas are the only things that are real. Matter consists of atoms which consist mostly of nothingness - really, everything breaks down into being energy (e=mc^2) and information... if everything is made up of energy and information... there is no such thing as "just" an idea.

If god/s is a creation of someones imagination then the creators were great magicians.