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Creation of Universe, Scriptures vs Science

1213

Well-Known Member
For history there is the difference between Luke's and Matthew's nativity myths. They are both datable within limits based upon claims in their stories. Luke specifically mentions the Census of Quirinius, the first Roman census of Judea. And Matthew mentions that Herod was still king. That is at least a ten year difference.

The problem with that is, the ten year difference may be wrong information.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
Ask an expert in the filed. First villages would have to be established and exist long enough for trade of various sorts to begin since writing was originally most likely for that purpose. Simply keeping track of transactions.

And you can believe people waited over 100 000 years before they begun to write?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
We have only wishful thinking, no real scientific evidence.
Nope, and you just demonstrated that you do not understand the concept of scientific evidence. I could help you to learn, but then you would have to lie to say that there is no evidence for evolution and claiming that there was evidence for creationism would be likely a lie too. Are you brave enough to learn?
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
There is no argument other than how the earth was created.
There isn't really much of an argument here. All the evidence/modelling suggests gravitational planetary accretion of debris from a solar nebula. The other side of the "argument" seems to be little more than "No it didn't, god created it in six days".

Scripture does not answer science questions
Perhaps not, but science can point out errors in scripture.

and science doesn't teach moral values.
Maybe not, but it can explain them.
What's more, religious scripture is a very poor source of morals. The Abrahamic god permits or prescribes quite a bit of stuff that is now with immoral and illegal.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
Well. There are some who "believe" science "Will one day" if not already done, answer all questions. Even truths, facts and morals. Some call it scientism.
It is more reasonable to accept that science may arrive at explanations for the presently unknown, that to claim that it never will.

You are right. Science does not teach moral values. One must note though that science also fundamentally has methodological naturalism which is the normative method of inquiry. Thus, science does not get into the business of any idea of supernatural matters.
You keep repeating this vague and inaccurate claim, despite it being explained to you how science can and does address the issue of the supernatural.
One might think that you are not debating in good faith, or even honestly.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
I have not problem in believing things that can be proven, shown to be true.
I have difficulties to believe claims that can't be proven, that are just opinions of people
So presumably you have difficulty in believing the claims of religion as they are just opinions that have not been proven to be true.

There is no product of real science that refutes my religious beliefs. If some human imagine that their beliefs are the science, it is not science to me.
But there are "products of science" that refute religion. The formation of the universe and earth. The evolution of life. The fact the great flood did not happen, and other historical/archaeological anomalies.
Your refusal to accept them doesn't make them go away.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
If it is an observed fact, what observation makes it a fact? Evolution theory really is nothing more than modernized mother earth cult.
It baffles me why people with literally no idea about evolution or the theory explaining it feel qualified to make such ridiculous nonsense claims.

We can observe evolution happening in the lab in species with very fast reproduction cycles. Google Lenski's e.coli experiment.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
“Creationists?” Are you assuming I’m a “creationist?” Talk about a straw man argument. All your words are meaningless. In your mind and in your comments you are posing and participating in your own debate against your own chosen opponent, who you are apparently pretending is me. Have a nice day!
So you don't subscribe to the idea that the universe and life within it was created by some manner of god or supernatural being. Instead, you accept the evidence that suggests natural processes such as evolution.
Cool.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
And you can believe people waited over 100 000 years before they begun to write?
That's like saying babies wait a year before they walk.
Writing began to develop when there was both the need and the ability to do it. Early humans didn't sit around the fire saying "I wish someone would hurry up and invent writing. I could murder a good book!"
Come on, it's not rocket science.
 

Shadow11

Member
Why does it have to be an I dream of Genie creation where God blinks his eyes and everything came in to being over 6 days - its ridiculous - it happened as the evidence suggested it did or it wouldn't be there.Take a geology course or understand how elements are created.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
First of all, viruses are not actually living organisms*. Secondly, that is like saying, "my brother eats mangoes, I don't, we are now separate species". It is ridiculous and stupid.

"Laboratory experiments of speciation have been conducted for all four modes of speciation: allopatric, peripatric, parapatric, and sympatric; and various other processes involving speciation: hybridization, reinforcement, founder effects, among others. Most of the experiments have been done on flies, in particular Drosophila fruit flies."

The only ridiculous and stupid assertion I see is your asinine analogy, and as fascinating as your observations are, I will accept the scientific evidence over anecdotal denials.
If you could breed mouse to a mini whale, that would be good evidence for evolution theory.

No it wouldn't that's a fantasy straw man you've created.

The evidence is overwhelming, and this site also debunks some of the more common lies and propaganda peddled by creationism.

If theists could offer a tiny fraction of the objective evidence we have for evolution, they'd have my undivided attention. Creationism is a completely unevidenced myth, and a political movement in the US that has tried to rebrand creationism as intelligent design in an attempt to lend it some air of credibility, as opposed to naked superstitions.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I didnt ask a question from you. I just asked you to substantiate your claim. Even your claim was irrelevant. Your substantiation to your irrelevant claim was also irrelevant.
No, your claim of "irrelevance" is just an excuse to avoid having to deal with the questions.

But that's your decision to make, and you've made it and clung to it.

So it only remains for me to wish you ─ again ─ happy trailsl.
 
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