Creationists: How do you test for "truth"?

[blü 2]

I gave you a concept of unknowability. You rambled on about something meaningless in reply.

Other way round.

In #216 I said,

In other words it only exists in imagination. And there, I take it, it's simply the concept of unknowability, devoid of other content, yes?​

If not, what's an example of its content?​

Now you pretend you said that, and you still can't give an example of what you mean ─ the obvious explanation being that you don't know what you mean.

But please feel free to demonstrate that you do indeed know what you mean, by providing an example of 'the unknowable' (beyond, as I said, the simple concept of unknowability) ─ since such examples must exist if you're right.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Again, in which case, it isn't knowledge (being unknowable), but opinion.

Why if something is unknowable do you change it to opinion. Opinions are knowable.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Other way round.

In #216 I said,

In other words it only exists in imagination. And there, I take it, it's simply the concept of unknowability, devoid of other content, yes?​

If not, what's an example of its content?​

Now you pretend you said that, and you still can't give an example of what you mean ─ the obvious explanation being that you don't know what you mean.

But please feel free to demonstrate that you do indeed know what you mean, by providing an example of 'the unknowable' (beyond, as I said, the simple concept of unknowability) ─ since such examples must exist if you're right.

I gave you an example.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I gave you an example.

Ok, I'll show mercy. Another example of the unknowable. I don't know what you are going to type next. At this moment it is unknowable. Yet I know you will type something. And I have an idea of what it will be.

 

[blü 2]

I gave you an example.

So, you say, there is such an example. It's not in anything you've said so far, so either you're mistaken or you're dishonest ─ in essence, just a troll.

Let's see which.

Just set out, or set out again, the example you say you've already given. And of course, it must go beyond the simple concept of unknowability, and be an example of something unknowable.

I'm expecting you to evade again, so pleasantly surprise me.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

So, you say, there is such an example. It's not in anything you've said so far, so either you're mistaken or you're dishonest ─ in essence, just a troll.

Let's see which.

Just set out, or set out again, the example you say you've already given. And of course, it must go beyond the simple concept of unknowability, and be an example of something unknowable.

I'm expecting you to evade again, so pleasantly surprise me.

Explain the color yellow to a colorblind person so that they can see yellow in their mind just like you do. This was my first example.

Now, that you typed a reply, it is an example of how to know the unknowable.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Let me ask this, if i ponder the imponderable, have I destroyed the imponderable?

 

[Polymath257]

Why if something is unknowable do you change it to opinion. Opinions are knowable.

I beg to differ. Opinions are views we have about things that cannot be known.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

So, you say, there is such an example. It's not in anything you've said so far, so either you're mistaken or you're dishonest ─ in essence, just a troll.

You forgot an option.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I beg to differ. Opinions are views we have about things that cannot be known.

Nonsense. I'm of the opinion that people who like liver have no taste buds. That is known opinion.

 

[blü 2]

Explain the color yellow to a colorblind person so that they can see yellow in their mind just like you do. This was my first example.

It's not an example of the unknowable or of unknowability. On the contrary the overwhelming proportion of the earth's population know the color yellow very well. Those who have blue-yellow colorblindness have direct experience of color and thus direct comprehension of the color yellow, while being unable to distinguish it from blue, at least on the basis of its wavelength.

If that's an example of unknowablility, then unknowability is a trivial incident to existence, since no one can know the feel of Julius Caesar's cloak, and so on through quadrillions of examples of the kind, addressed very largely without effort or delay by the imagination.

So on the one hand I'm glad you finally made yourself clear, and on the other hand I'm disappointed that you've raised nothing of importance.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

It's not an example of the unknowable or of unknowability. On the contrary the overwhelming proportion of the earth's population know the color yellow very well. Those who have blue-yellow colorblindness have direct experience of color and thus direct comprehension of the color yellow, while being unable to distinguish it from blue, at least on the basis of its wavelength.

If that's an example of unknowablility, then unknowability is a trivial incident to existence, since no one can know the feel of Julius Caesar's cloak, and so on through quadrillions of examples of the kind, addressed very largely without effort or delay by the imagination.

So on the one hand I'm glad you finally made yourself clear, and on the other hand I'm disappointed that you've raised nothing of importance.

Why did you not answer my question?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

It's not an example of the unknowable or of unknowability. On the contrary the overwhelming proportion of the earth's population know the color yellow very well. Those who have blue-yellow colorblindness have direct experience of color and thus direct comprehension of the color yellow, while being unable to distinguish it from blue, at least on the basis of its wavelength.

There is a difference between knowing about something and knowing something. It's very simple. To the person who is incapable of percieving the spectral color yellow that color is unknowable. They will never percieve it as someone who does. Yet it exists.

 

[Kev100504]

Since the bible is written by the creator who was there to see and know how creation happened, To say it didn't happen that way, The burden of proof is on the humans. Since they were not eye witnesses they would need to have some other sort of proof. Proof which they cannot possibly get since God has miraculous powers. Even if science could prove creation happened in some mundane way, it would still be possible it happened in a miraculous way. Which leaves God 2 man 0.

Your long diatribe completley missed the point lol

 

[Kev100504]

Good morning! How is it that we can conform to "reality"? What you should be saying is that we conform to the reality established by my ancestors. I like your idea except it seems your thought is directed towards something; what I think is really neat is that somehow we as a people have created our own reality when we began naming it. I mean, no one told us a rock was a rock, we just decided that was what it was and it came to be that and you and I live in the results of that imagination.

It doesnt matter what we call it???? I can see it..touch it.....

 

[Kemosloby]

Your long diatribe completley missed the point lol

You had a point?

 

[Kev100504]

Credibility of the witness

A 6000 year old witness who saw the creation? or a 2000 year old witness who God told when the bible was started or better yet a 14 billion year old witness for the christians who believe God created an old earth and kick started evolution.

 

[Polymath257]

Let me ask this, if i ponder the imponderable, have I destroyed the imponderable?

No. But you won't succeed.

 

[Polymath257]

There is a difference between knowing about something and knowing something. It's very simple. To the person who is incapable of percieving the spectral color yellow that color is unknowable. They will never percieve it as someone who does. Yet it exists.

But the spectral color yellow is thereby not unknowable. Even a blind person can use a variety of instruments to detect it, measure it, and classify its properties. They will never perceive yellow, but that doens't make the color yellow unknowable.

In exactly the same way, we will never perceive radio waves. But that doens't make radio waves unknowable. In fact, we know quite a bit about them.

 

[Kemosloby]

A 6000 year old witness who saw the creation? or a 2000 year old witness who God told when the bible was started or better yet a 14 billion year old witness for the christians who believe God created an old earth and kick started evolution.

What is your point?