Creationists: How do you test for "truth"?

[Kev100504]

Good question. There is only one way to know Truth... And that is by becoming Jesus' disciple and continuing in His Word. His Word is contained within the Bible, so we have all we need for "truth" to be revealed. He will then show you the meaning of those things in which you set your heart to understand out of Scriptures. May you find Who you are searching for my friend!

(Joh 8:31) Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
(Joh 8:32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Que the bible quotes to prove truth.....pick out your 10 worst passages from deuteronomy and quote those for us...Im waiting

 

[Kev100504]

What is your point?

My point is that your reliable witness claim to the creation of the universe is absurd. In our society a mistrial can be rendered by the death of a witness...yet you have zero issue using a 2000+ year old witness to support your claims..

 

[Kemosloby]

My point is that your reliable witness claim to the creation of the universe is absurd. In our society a mistrial can be rendered by the death of a witness...yet you have zero issue using a 2000+ year old witness to support your claims..

God is eternal. God is the witness. People wrote what God said about creation in a book. No human was around to witness creation...

 

[Polymath257]

God is eternal. God is the witness. People wrote what God said about creation in a book. No human was around to witness creation...

Did you mean that people wrote what they *believed* God said?

 

[Kev100504]

God is eternal. God is the witness. People wrote what God said about creation in a book. No human was around to witness creation...

That doesnt change the fact that you are relying on a person who wrote it down for God 2000+ years ago well after the fact...."God created the heavens and the earth"..does that sound like a devine explanation for the creation of everything...That quote is 1000% manmade!

 

[Jedster]

That doesnt change the fact that you are relying on a person who wrote it down for God 2000+ years ago well after the fact...."God created the heavens and the earth"..does that sound like a devine explanation for creation of everything...That quote is 1000% manmade!

If people had a direct experience of said God, then they wouldn't have to rely on the words of books written centuries ago, or indeed any books at all.

As Judge Judy would say, "That's hearsay"

 

[Kev100504]

God is eternal. God is the witness. People wrote what God said about creation in a book. No human was around to witness creation...

I will also add that why isn't god talking to people this day and adding to the bible? Convenient that God was a chatty Kathy at a time without video or tape recorders. God must have got bored.

 

[Kemosloby]

That doesnt change the fact that you are relying on a person who wrote it down for God 2000+ years ago well after the fact...."God created the heavens and the earth"..does that sound like a devine explanation for the creation of everything...That quote is 1000% manmade!

by that logic you couldn't believe any of the bible, no wonder your atheist.

 

[Polymath257]

by that logic you couldn't believe any of the bible, no wonder your atheist.

Precisely.

 

[Kemosloby]

Did you mean that people wrote what they *believed* God said?

I did not get the impression they were hard of hearing. How many times in the scripture does Moses say hey can your repeat that? Or huh, could you speak up. And when God wants to make a point he makes sure his point is made. Such as rewriting the broken commandments. or snatching up Jonah in a whale.

 

[Kemosloby]

Precisely.

You can use a logical method to come up with the wrong answer. His premises are weak which makes logic useless

 

[Kev100504]

by that logic you couldn't believe any of the bible, no wonder your atheist.

Thank you that was the best believer response yet Listen believe what you want... I have no ill wishes on anyone

 

[sandy whitelinger]

But the spectral color yellow is thereby not unknowable. Even a blind person can use a variety of instruments to detect it, measure it, and classify its properties. They will never perceive yellow, but that doens't make the color yellow unknowable.

In exactly the same way, we will never perceive radio waves. But that doens't make radio waves unknowable. In fact, we know quite a bit about them.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Maybe explanation sucks. That person will never see the color, not the wavelength measurement on a spectrograph, but the actual color that comes through your eyes, passes through your nervous system and registers as the color. They are incapable. That color that you see in unknowable to them. It's like asking a man with no arms to suck his thumb. Why is this so difficult a concept to grasp?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

But the spectral color yellow is thereby not unknowable. Even a blind person can use a variety of instruments to detect it, measure it, and classify its properties. They will never perceive yellow, but that doens't make the color yellow unknowable.

The perception is unknowable to them. I never said it was unknowable. This is real simple.

 

[Polymath257]

Maybe explanation sucks. That person will never see the color, not the wavelength measurement on a spectrograph, but the actual color that comes through your eyes, passes through your nervous system and registers as the color. They are incapable. That color that you see in unknowable to them. It's like asking a man with no arms to suck his thumb. Why is this so difficult a concept to grasp?

The color *you* see is also unknowable to me. Whether we see 'the same' color or not is unknowable. And that is true whether or not either of us is blind or sighted. That doesn't make the color unknowable.

I'm not quite sure I understand what point you are making. There is a HUGE difference between something that is detectable (colors, radio waves) and something that is truly unknowable. The latter might as well not exist because it cannot ever be detected.

 

[Polymath257]

You can use a logical method to come up with the wrong answer. His premises are weak which makes logic useless

Exactly where is the flaw in the logic?

 

[Polymath257]

I did not get the impression they were hard of hearing. How many times in the scripture does Moses say hey can your repeat that? Or huh, could you speak up. And when God wants to make a point he makes sure his point is made. Such as rewriting the broken commandments. or snatching up Jonah in a whale.

how do you know they weren't simply mistaken about where the 'voices' came from?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I did not get the impression they were hard of hearing. How many times in the scripture does Moses say hey can your repeat that? Or huh, could you speak up. And when God wants to make a point he makes sure his point is made. Such as rewriting the broken commandments. or snatching up Jonah in a whale.

Ooh, not a good answer. In your own words what does the Tenth Commandment ban in the rewritten commandments?

 

[Kemosloby]

Exactly where is the flaw in the logic?

The existence of God is not one of his premises.