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Creationists!

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
What does Creationism mean to you? For those who consider themselves such.

How much involvement did the Gods have in the creation? Was this direct or indirect involvement?

Does this mean anything with regards to science and the scientific method to you?


Bonus question:
Are the Gods still creating?
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
I consider the existence of the cosmos as The Great Mystery. While we humans can and should investigate it, and perhaps even come to understand it to some degree, I do not think that we humans...and this certainly applies to me, can't be sure about all others...can comprehend what it would mean to be an entity that could and would and did 'create' the cosmos...

It's possible that one or more deities took a role in 'creating' the cosmos...I can accept that as a proposition...but I don't know what evidence there could be that could point to such a thing as being true.

One of my favorite speculations has been that the universe is a creative arts project...maybe even performance art...by said deities...
 

CharmingOwl

Member
I am oddly both a creationist and an evolutionist because I think the gods helped people evolve from monkeys. Other stories say humans were created from clay and stuff but some people do not choose to believe this version of our mythology because science says evolution.Our mythology has a hypothesis that monkeys became humans through spirituality, psychedelics, or worshiping a bird figure god that transformed them.
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
What does Creationism mean to you? For those who consider themselves such.

That the dimension of reality which we inhabit was created and is sustained by some entity who has creative powers. As opposed to having come to be through other means.

How much involvement did the Gods have in the creation? Was this direct or indirect involvement?

It was directly and wilfully created but then mostly left on its own, with the occasional intervention

I think God/Gods have a plan but that it is not very detailed

Does this mean anything with regards to science and the scientific method to you?

I believe in evolution, abiogenesis, and the big bang and that the scientific method can help us better understand creation

I believe that the world is as old as science says it is
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
To answer my own questions.
What does Creationism mean to you? For those who consider themselves such.
This just means that the Gods had a hand in creating the world around us. Nothing more or less.
How much involvement did the Gods have in the creation? Was this direct or indirect involvement?

I believe this was through direct involvement in physical formation if the universe, and even indirect involvement such as setting certain things in motion, but stepping back.

Does this mean anything with regards to science and the scientific method to you?

This means that it is completely compatible with science and the scientific method imo, as well as it's results.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
@Quintessence this thread was inspired by a post you made in the EvC forum, I cannot locate.
It was probably a post I made somewhere mentioning that creationism in the broad sense is simply accepting the gods had a hand in the makings of things. In the narrow sense, it refers to one specific mythic creation story interpreted in a strictly literalistic fashion. For better or worse, much ado is made about the narrow sense and little about the broader sense. I suppose it annoys me because I understand the difference between mythos and logos and thus mythological literalism grates the ears. With how logos-obsessed modern society is I almost can't blame folks for trying to stuff logos into mythos, but... the result is just... I really find it better to understand the role of mythos. Shoving the round form of mythos into the square hole that is logos just furthers the popular narrative that only logos matters or is valid (which is rubbish).

In any case, because creationism is typically used in both a narrow and pejorative sense, I wouldn't identify under that term. Nevertheless, because I don't distinguish between gods and nature/universe/reality, it's not possible for the gods to not have a hand in the makings of all things. All things are interwoven co-creators of The Weave. The force of evolution itself is an outcome of relationships between various gods and powers. It can, if one suits, be deified and an object of worship. I don't worship the Spirit of Evolution in my practice per se, but I do worship Moon who as the mistress of change has a lot of concordance with the Spirit of Evolution. Lessons I've learned through Moon are no doubt similar to those I might learn from regular devotion to Evolution - going with the flow, adapting to new circumstances, accepting change, that sort of thing. Evolution would put the lessons into a much harsher context (e.g., adapt or DIE) compared to Moon, I suppose, so Moon can be a gentler way of learning some of the mysteries and myths Evolution has to teach.
 

Monty

Active Member
When I think about the complexity of this world, I doubt random evolution made it.
But how does the theory of creation explain why there are six distinct biogeographical zones with their own unique ranges of flora and fauna, and why echidnas are only native to one of those?
 

Arnaud1221

Red-hood
But how does the theory of creation explain why there are six distinct biogeographical zones with their own unique ranges of flora and fauna, and why echidnas are only native to one of those?
I don't see a problem to create this. When we look at the amount of car and building.
 

Monty

Active Member
I don't see a problem to create this. When we look at the amount of car and building.
So when and why were the six distinct biogeographical zones created, and why aren't monotremes also native to the middle east as hypothesized from the biblical stories?
 
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GardenLady

Active Member
What does Creationism mean to you? For those who consider themselves such.
I am one who both believes that God had a hand in creation and the development of life (don't know exactly how and don't feel a need to know), but also accepts the extensive scientific evidence supporting deep time (ancient universe) and the evolution of life on earth.

My perception is that the belief in God having a hand in creation and the acceptance of science is by far the most common view among Christians worldwide. However, I also acknowledge that, to some extent, we all live in bubbles of those we largely agree with, so my perception on that may be wrong.

As to evolution and the evidence supporting it, I submitted cheek scrapings to the "Genographic Project" of the National Geographic Society. I am 2.4 percent Neanderthal and 2.5 percent Denisovan--so not 100% homo sapiens sapiens. I think that's cool.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
What does Creationism mean to you? For those who consider themselves such.

How much involvement did the Gods have in the creation? Was this direct or indirect involvement?

Does this mean anything with regards to science and the scientific method to you?


Bonus question:
Are the Gods still creating?
What Creationism means to me is that our universe is based on logic and reason, and not throwing dice. Einstein said, he did not believe that God chose to play dice with the universe. The random tis more connected to the quantum world, but the macro world is more ordered. The macro scale sun does not disappear periodically; throwing dice. It is very logical and reliable. But to casino science they will calculate this odds and fool themselves.

If one assumes intelligent creation, that means everything is planned, and will connect, allowing us to reverse engineer the creation. An iPhone has a logic to the internal hardware and software design that can be dissembled and reverse engineered. We should not get stuck by the assumption, that anything goes, in a dice based universe, that has no logic, but only chance.

When humans create anything tangible; a bridge, it requires planning and logic not just putting on a blindfold hoping something works after you throw everything in the air. The image of a creating God, makes my mind work in an image of planning and reasoning God, who gets to an integrated paradise. It is not just a force throwing objects in the air, until something happens.

The Age of Reason was about the superstitions of the whims of the gods being replaced by reason. Blood letting had no logic but could pass the blindfold test. Too much of science has regressed back to the whims of the Gods; statistical methods, where you are in the black box of darkness, with an irrational math oracle, thinking for you, based on whims and chance. That is a weird universe to me. I see order in my universe which can be reverse engineered and expanded upon.

From an applied science POV, reason is needed to create something new, since reason works better for assembly of parts. But from a pure science approach, putting your head in the dark sand, may be good enough; let the data talk. The idea of Creation made me take an applied science path for a career, so I could go outside the box where creation occurs. Those in the box can be more whims of the gods; correlate what you see. Do not try to think, obey. They do not need to use their own correlations to create anything. Dice may be enough to make new ones.

If you were to personify statistical type creation with a God mascot, that god would be drunk and blind. He walks along in the dark and where is falls or bang into something, causes something to happen. We can all place bets where this may happen, but nobody can know when he will bump or fall all the time. It is weird religious image that does not agrees with me; god of casinos in a padded room of parts, so he does not get hurt, but can do his work, forever.

My personification is more like God with a large box of parts for a 3-D puzzle, who can makes all the parts connect on the first try. This give me hope in terms of learning the truth of nature, after I dissemble the 3-D puzzle and put if back together. I do not expect things to disappear or appear, out of the void of a black box.
 
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