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Critical thinking used by believers about their own belief

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
This is not something I have done about my of faith....and I should have done it.
What will happen if believers started to do critical thinking about every aspects of their own faith?

Some of RF's believers may already do it daily :)
Will our faith get stronger or will it be a to big challenge?
 

Gargovic Malkav

Well-Known Member
This is not something I have done about my of faith....and I should have done it.
What will happen if believers started to do critical thinking about every aspects of their own faith?

Some of RF's believers may already do it daily :)
Will our faith get stronger or will it be a to big challenge?

What would your answer be if you were another member reading this OP?
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
This is not something I have done about my of faith....and I should have done it.
What will happen if believers started to do critical thinking about every aspects of their own faith?

Some of RF's believers may already do it daily :)
Will our faith get stronger or will it be a to big challenge?
In my case I would say my beliefs were formed from critical thinking.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
This is not something I have done about my of faith....and I should have done it.
What will happen if believers started to do critical thinking about every aspects of their own faith?

Some of RF's believers may already do it daily :)
Will our faith get stronger or will it be a to big challenge?
The question that needs to be asked is ... "Why is my faith correct but other faiths aren't?"
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
Even the Bible admonishes us to test to see whether we are in the faith:

"Keep testing whether you are in the faith; keep proving what you yourselves are. Or do you not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with you? Unless you are disapproved."-2 Corinthians 13:5.

Of course these words are directed to the Christian congregation. But how can you be sure which of all the Christian religions is the correct one? That would take some testing. Are all of them? Many people don't even believe in the Bible or in the Christ. Does that mean it is false? So like you said there is a lot of testing to be done.

For a person that doesn't believe in God, first they need to be given convincing proof of his existence. Many sound-minded and intelligent scientists after studying their fields of science come to a logical conclusion that there has to be an intelligence behind the great forces of the universe, nature, and the wonders of the living world.

Archeological records show that the Bible is accurate in regards to history. In fact many times it accuracy has only been proven after many centuries of criticism. And its faithful prophecies of future events shows us that it is really God's word.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2021/Hold-Fast-to-the-Truth-With-Strong-Conviction/

If you are interested you may want to check out this recent study article I actually just finished studying it a couple of days ago and it immediately came to mind when I read your question. It starts by propounding the question that how can we be sure we have the truth out of the tens of thousands of so-called Christian denominations.

Some very convincing proofs were given about having the truth: JWs reject idolatry. Idolatry in all its forms. Even the worship of humans. In many charismatic movements humans are revered and their church leaders promote their own self-styled books and people donate much money to them. Yet Jesus told his followers that they are all brothers. (Matthew 23:8-10). The fact that there is no laity and clergy distinction among Jehovah's people as it was in the Bible is a strong convincing proof.

Another great proof is the respect Jehovah's Witnesses have for Jehovah's name. Jesus prayed: "Father glorify your name." And thorughout his earthly ministry Jesus said he glorified God's name. (John 12:28; John 17:26.)

And in Acts 15:14 we are told: "Symʹe·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name." What group of Christians today have the honor, the distinction of being given Jehovah's name as his witnesses? The Bible said this happened.

In stark contrast to Jehovah's Witnesses who love the name of God and uphold it and God's high moral values found in the Bible many Church leaders throughout history have done everything in their power to hide that name. Many have removed it entirely from their Bible translations substituting God's name Jehovah with the titles "LORD" or "GOD."

We love the truth. The Bible calls pure worship "the way of truth."-2 Peter 2:2. In the first century Christians rejected religious ideas, cultural traditions, and personal opinions that were not in harmony with this way of truth. Just as the first century Christians and even Bible writers such as Paul did not have full understanding of all things Jehovah's Witnesses do not claim to understand all things in the Bible. And as they study it and discern a certain practice or teaching is out of line with God's words they change to better adhere to the truth. Imagine if other "Christian" religions were as humble and as eager and ready to change to please God!

And the greatest convincing proof of course is the love God's people have for each other. Jesus said that all the world would know his true followers because they would have love among each other.-John 13:34-35.

The Christian scripture tells us there is only one faith. And to test to see whether you are in the faith. There is one baptism, and God is a God of peace not of disorder. It explains the structural arrangement of the Christian congregation that there are traveling overseers, elders, and ministerial servants. As well, instead of trying to change to appease the feelings or sentiments of the day or the people who live immorally degraded lives, they uphold the sanctity of marriage, and the sacredness of blood, and keep the congregation clean by expelling unrepentant wrongdoers. All based on patterns found in the Bible. (Acts 15:28-29; 1 Corinthians 5:11-13; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Hebrews 13:4.

Jesus said that many would claim to be his followers but not all of them are genuine. And that many in the end would have an appearance of godliness but prove false to its power. And to reiterate the point it clearly states that there is only "one faith" "one baptism":


"One body there is, and one spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."-Ephesians 4:4-6.

It is very important to test whether you are in the faith!
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Even the Bible admonishes us to test to see whether we are in the faith:

"Keep testing whether you are in the faith; keep proving what you yourselves are. Or do you not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with you? Unless you are disapproved."-2 Corinthians 13:5.

Of course these words are directed to the Christian congregation. But how can you be sure which of all the Christian religions is the correct one? That would take some testing. Are all of them? Many people don't even believe in the Bible or in the Christ. Does that mean it is false? So like you said there is a lot of testing to be done.

For a person that doesn't believe in God, first they need to be given convincing proof of his existence. Many sound-minded and intelligent scientists after studying their fields of science come to a logical conclusion that there has to be an intelligence behind the great forces of the universe, nature, and the wonders of the living world.

Archeological records show that the Bible is accurate in regards to history. In fact many times it accuracy has only been proven after many centuries of criticism. And its faithful prophecies of future events shows us that it is really God's word.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2021/Hold-Fast-to-the-Truth-With-Strong-Conviction/

If you are interested you may want to check out this recent study article I actually just finished studying it a couple of days ago and it immediately came to mind when I read your question. It starts by propounding the question that how can we be sure we have the truth out of the tens of thousands of so-called Christian denominations.

Some very convincing proofs were given about having the truth: JWs reject idolatry. Idolatry in all its forms. Even the worship of humans. In many charismatic movements humans are revered and their church leaders promote their own self-styled books and people donate much money to them. Yet Jesus told his followers that they are all brothers. (Matthew 23:8-10). The fact that there is no laity and clergy distinction among Jehovah's people as it was in the Bible is a strong convincing proof.

Another great proof is the respect Jehovah's Witnesses have for Jehovah's name. Jesus prayed: "Father glorify your name." And thorughout his earthly ministry Jesus said he glorified God's name. (John 12:28; John 17:26.)

And in Acts 15:14 we are told: "Symʹe·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name." What group of Christians today have the honor, the distinction of being given Jehovah's name as his witnesses? The Bible said this happened.

In stark contrast to Jehovah's Witnesses who love the name of God and uphold it and God's high moral values found in the Bible many Church leaders throughout history have done everything in their power to hide that name. Many have removed it entirely from their Bible translations substituting God's name Jehovah with the titles "LORD" or "GOD."

We love the truth. The Bible calls pure worship "the way of truth."-2 Peter 2:2. In the first century Christians rejected religious ideas, cultural traditions, and personal opinions that were not in harmony with this way of truth. Just as the first century Christians and even Bible writers such as Paul did not have full understanding of all things Jehovah's Witnesses do not claim to understand all things in the Bible. And as they study it and discern a certain practice or teaching is out of line with God's words they change to better adhere to the truth. Imagine if other "Christian" religions were as humble and as eager and ready to change to please God!

And the greatest convincing proof of course is the love God's people have for each other. Jesus said that all the world would know his true followers because they would have love among each other.-John 13:34-35.

The Christian scripture tells us there is only one faith. And to test to see whether you are in the faith. There is one baptism, and God is a God of peace not of disorder. It explains the structural arrangement of the Christian congregation that there are traveling overseers, elders, and ministerial servants. As well, instead of trying to change to appease the feelings or sentiments of the day or the people who live immorally degraded lives, they uphold the sanctity of marriage, and the sacredness of blood, and keep the congregation clean by expelling unrepentant wrongdoers. All based on patterns found in the Bible. (Acts 15:28-29; 1 Corinthians 5:11-13; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Hebrews 13:4.

Jesus said that many would claim to be his followers but not all of them are genuine. And that many in the end would have an appearance of godliness but prove false to its power. And to reiterate the point it clearly states that there is only "one faith" "one baptism":


"One body there is, and one spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."-Ephesians 4:4-6.

It is very important to test whether you are in the faith!
Thank you for a very clear and good reply.

I have my faith, and faith in God, but I doubt my self, over and over again i doubt how I am as a human being
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
This is not something I have done about my of faith....and I should have done it.
What will happen if believers started to do critical thinking about every aspects of their own faith?

Some of RF's believers may already do it daily :)
Will our faith get stronger or will it be a to big challenge?

I see It would be of great benefit.

No doubt It would point us to One God.

We could explore unity in our diversity of faith and culture, as one people, on one planet.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
"Keep testing whether you are in the faith; keep proving what you yourselves are. Or do you not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with you? Unless you are disapproved."-2 Corinthians 13:5.

Of course these words are directed to the Christian congregation. But how can you be sure which of all the Christian religions is the correct one? That would take some testing. Are all of them? Many people don't even believe in the Bible or in the Christ. Does that mean it is false? So like you said there is a lot of testing to be done.

When Jesus offered that teaching, we could consider that there were no congregations of different sects of Christianity.

Thus the teaching is for every person to consider, it is not meant only for a Christain, it is meant for all those that hear it.

Regards Tony
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
When Jesus offered that teaching, we could consider that there were no congregations of different sects of Christianity.

Thus the teaching is for every person to consider, it is not meant only for a Christain, it is meant for all those that hear it.

Regards Tony

That was a statement given by the apostle Paul to the Corinthian congregation. By then the Christian congregation had been clearly established. For further information on how this developed a good Bible book to read would be the book of Acts.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Will our faith get stronger or will it be a to big challenge?

Do you know what critical thinking is?

It's learning to question all assertions (skepticism) and accepting only those with sufficient evidentiary support (empiricism). To do this, one learns how to evaluate evidence, how to make sound arguments, and how to identify whether the arguments of others are sound or fallacious. It requires the willingness and ability to consider arguments dispassionately, and to identify any errors present.

Faith-based beliefs don't make it past these criteria. Do you believe in a God? If so, you do so by faith. Critical thinking leads to agnostic atheism, since there simply isn't enough evidence for or against the existence of gods to declare that they do or do not exist, and the critical thinker does not accept such ideas, either of them.

You can apply valid reasoning to untrue or unshared premises, such as the assumption that a god exists, but that isn't critical thinking, and it won't generate a correct conclusion.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Do you know what critical thinking is?

It's learning to question all assertions (skepticism) and accepting only those with sufficient evidentiary support (empiricism). To do this, one learns how to evaluate evidence, how to make sound arguments, and how to identify whether the arguments of others are sound or fallacious. It requires the willingness and ability to consider arguments dispassionately, and to identify any errors present.

Faith-based beliefs don't make it past these criteria. Do you believe in a God? If so, you do so by faith. Critical thinking leads to agnostic atheism, since there simply isn't enough evidence for or against the existence of gods to declare that they do or do not exist, and the critical thinker does not accept such ideas, either of them.

You can apply valid reasoning to untrue premises, but that isn't critical thinking, and it won't generate a correct conclusion.
I did learn a lot from discussion today about critical thinking, so of course I do not know it to well, but I realized that my own lack of critical thinking have made me do to many errors lately.

The reason for this OP is to put my own faith in to scrutiny by my self using critical thinking. If my faith holds to scrutiny i am all good :)
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
Thank you for a very clear and good reply.

I have my faith, and faith in God, but I doubt my self, over and over again i doubt how I am as a human being

It is good and right to have faith in God. There are many scriptures that come to my mind reading your honest and sincere reply. For God is looking for such like ones to worship him with spirit and truth. And he understands all things and can read the heart. There is a wonderful Bible prophecy that is being fulfilled in our day I would like to share with you. It has to do with a shaking of the nations:

"‘And I will shake all the nations, and the precious things of all the nations will come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ says Jehovah of armies."-Haggai 2:7.

Jehovah is calling the precious things, humans that love him, to his organiation of pure worship in all the earth!

Jesus said that the way of the truth is narrow and hard to find and few are on it:

“Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it;  whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it.- ((Matthew 7:13-14)

Jesus indicated that the majority of mankind is on a broad and spacious road leading off into destruction. And he foretold that many people would profess his name and he would tell them he never knew them and called them workers of lawlessness:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’"-Matthew 7:21-23.

If you notice in that scripture quoted Jesus said only those doing the will of the Father will be saved. And what is the will of God? It is that people of all sorts from all the nations come to an accurate knowledge of truth and be saved!

"This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God,  whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth."-1 Timothy 2:3.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
This is not something I have done about my of faith....and I should have done it.
What will happen if believers started to do critical thinking about every aspects of their own faith?

Some of RF's believers may already do it daily :)
Will our faith get stronger or will it be a to big challenge?
I think faith and critical thinking are mutually exclusive at Step One:
Critical thinking begins with an attitude of unbiased doubt: "Maybe this claim is true and maybe it isn't. I'll have to think about it." Evidence is required for acceptance.

Faith is an acceptance of the claim from an authority figure free of doubt. Evidence not required.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
This is not something I have done about my of faith....and I should have done it.
What will happen if believers started to do critical thinking about every aspects of their own faith?

Some of RF's believers may already do it daily :)
Will our faith get stronger or will it be a to big challenge?

What is your understanding of critical thinking?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
What is your understanding of critical thinking?
So far.
Critical thinking is to question everything. To scrutiny evidence that may lay in front of us. To gain a form of verifiable answer to the question asked.

Right now I am not sure I can do it 100% as intended but I take it as a form of learning about my own understanding of reality or even belief.
 

Gargovic Malkav

Well-Known Member
When Jesus offered that teaching, we could consider that there were no congregations of different sects of Christianity.

Thus the teaching is for every person to consider, it is not meant only for a Christain, it is meant for all those that hear it.

Regards Tony

I think when things are seen through the the lens of dividing things in factions, Jesus tried to teach a variety of Judaism that was also/or especially appealing to non-Jews, just like there are wise people or charlatans who try and/or pretend to be culturally neutral or progressive nowadays.
And even if they are righteous and God-fearing people, it's still a question how their self proclaimed successors would behave.
 
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