mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, always start with your "tribe". That is in part why I "hunt" atheists, skeptics and secular humanists the most. I start with my own.
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Criticism of Islam.
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Yeah, always start with your "tribe". That is in part why I "hunt" atheists, skeptics and secular humanists the most. I start with my own.
ecco
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That's the biggest problem with religion; the belief that "I'm right: The rest are wrong".
The fallacy of this can be easily seen by acknowledging that every religious person believes this. Even within religions, Christian Protestants and Christian Catholics disagree and fight and die to ensure "I'm Right"; Muslim Sunnis and Muslim Shiites disagree and fight and die to ensure "I'm Right".
@Link, when you say "we" who are you talking about?
ecco
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What kind of Muslim government? One led by Sunnis or Shiites or the rulers of Saudi Arabia or those who lead the Taliban or their sworn enemies, the members of ISIL?
firedragon
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Its true that Shii's and Sunni's had rifts for a long long time. It was a great political battle. But this thread is there for you to take on their rifts, beliefs or whatever and present a case.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, and then there is "science is the best method we have to understand the world and there is objective evidence for the fact that science is the best method". That "we" is tribal and not limited to religion.
firedragon
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So you intend die hard to convert this thread into your beloved topic as shallow as can get right? ISIL, Taliban, ISIL, Taliban, ISIL, Taliban, ISIL, Taliban, ISIL, Taliban, .
ISIL, Taliban. Would you like me to open a new thread for that topic so that you can discuss it in detail, thoroughly?
I agree but it has to be intellectually fighting.
I'm talking about Muslim nation. In this sense, I will tolerate Sunni government and it does not have to be a Shiite government. Just should allow freedom of speech and religion.
firedragon
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Here you go @ecco and @IndigoChild5559 . This thread was opened to discuss ISIL, Taliban etc.
ISIL, Taliban = True Islam??
ISIL, Taliban = True Islam??
Do you know in Iran, there is more graduates from University that are women and more women in government then most countries in the world? Women contribute a lot to society in Iran.
Every version of Islam is a true version from the point of "religion as is", and then to me, no religion out there and no sect is as "Islam ought to be", but every sect believes they are that, and non-Muslims don't have a methodology to sort all that out.
God is source of justice - peace is a title of God that he has entrusted his creation with. They make use of it in their transactions and social affairs. There is no better to teach justice and peace then Quran in my view.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Good point. But that thread was opened for those who use these fanatics as the caricature to propagate what islam is.
ecco
Veteran Member
The State of Religion in China
- The Chinese Communist Party is officially atheist, but it recognizes five religions: Buddhism, Catholicism, Daoism, Islam, and Protestantism. Authorities tightly monitor registered and unregistered groups.
- There are a growing number of religious believers, including those who practice folk religions and more than a dozen other banned faiths.
Officially Buddhists and Muslims are allowed to practice their religion. It is obvious that the animosity toward the Uighur and Tibetan goes far beyond religion.
Yeah. I guess you believe that all religious people were labeled as mentally ill and confined to asylums. Pre-Stalin Russia was overwhelmingly religious. Stalin would have had to imprison over 90% of the population if the imprisonment was solely due to religious beliefs.
During the purges of 1937 and 1938, church documents record that 168,300 Russian Orthodox clergy were arrested. Of these, 106,300 were shot.[78] Many thousands of victims of persecution became recognized in a special canon of saints known as the "new martyrs and confessors of Russia".
A decline in enthusiasm in the campaign occurred in the late 1930s.[79] The tone of the anti-religious campaign changed and became more moderate .[73] It ended at the outbreak of World War II.
NKVD Order No. 00447 of July 30, 1937 - About repression of former kulaks, criminals, and other anti-Soviet elements") was signed by Nikolai Yezhov and approved by the Politburo during the Great Purge.[1]
In other words, get ridof those who oppose - reagardless of why they oppose.A decline in enthusiasm in the campaign occurred in the late 1930s.[79] The tone of the anti-religious campaign changed and became more moderate .[73] It ended at the outbreak of World War II.
NKVD Order No. 00447 of July 30, 1937 - About repression of former kulaks, criminals, and other anti-Soviet elements") was signed by Nikolai Yezhov and approved by the Politburo during the Great Purge.[1]
ecco
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Duck and Dodge. It's really getting boring.
ecco
Veteran Member
Which god? Whose god? Whose interpretation of whose god?
Oh, I see. YOUR GOD! As interpreted by YOUR holy men. Is your Quran interpreted the same by all Muslims? If so, why do they kill each other?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Start with your own kind. Those who have a similar world view, For the overall factors in your worldview are there any shortcomings, problems and so on.
firedragon
Veteran Member
ecco
Veteran Member
What "these fanatics" are you referring to? Sunnis, Shiites, Wahabis? There are so many. But which are you referring to?