Cross or Upright Stake

[YoursTrue]

Nope,

Yup more subterfuge on your part.

more projection. The Gospels are all anonymous and were written by non-eyewitnesses over a generation and usually two generations after the crucifixion of Jesus. A lot of myth can enter into stories in that period of time. There is no good reason to trust the Gospels when it comes to details of any sort.

Here is your problem, crucifixion was the ultimate punishment. One does not use the ultimate punishment for minor crimes such as thievery.

You can't stick to one subject because once you get caught you then project to something else. Greek for thief can mean more than shoplifting. So get it straight. You'll look better then. Don't forget, have a good one.

 

[YoursTrue]

How was that projection? What I said about the Gospels is accurate. But then you do not appear to have ever have studied the Bible.

No what you said is not accurate. Maybe you forget.

 

[cataway]

The idea of crucifixion was a long slow death. The cross bad may have enabled the victim to hold himself up better than if his hands were tied above his head. The cross member is known to have existed. In fact when people were force to bear their cross that would have almost certainly have been the cross member. Not the entire cross. The upright part of the cross had to be firmly in the ground and if one digs a hole and puts an upright in it they are usually a bit wobbly unless one takes quite some time tamping soil down around it. It makes more sense to have permanent uprights and then the temporary crossbar added at the time of execution.

i see you still trying to find a way for the arms to be stretched L&R out parallel with the ground . yes a person could live for a few days . no water ,depending on the time of year ,hypothermia. but that's not what happen .
death comes from stress imposed on the body from being hung by the hands up over their head. medical science does proves this to be true. a person dies in hours when hung up that way.
the one hung up ends up gasping to breathe , to get a breath of air, they would push themselves up on the nails in their feet just to get some air . to keep that from happening the legs would be broken. with so much more stress being added they then suffocate .

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yup more subterfuge on your part.

You can't stick to one subject because once you get caught you then project to something else. Greek for thief can mean more than shoplifting. So get it straight. You'll look better then. Don't forget, have a good one.

Please. Try again. If all that you have are false claims about others how will we ever get anywhere?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No what you said is not accurate. Maybe you forget.

No, what I said was very accurate. You are forgetting about the other errors in the Gospels.

 

[Subduction Zone]

i see you still trying to find a way for the arms to be stretched L&R out parallel with the ground . yes a person could live for a few days . no water ,depending on the time of year ,hypothermia. but that's not what happen .
death comes from stress imposed on the body from being hung by the hands up over their head. medical science does proves this to be true. a person dies in hours when hung up that way.
the one hung up ends up gasping to breathe , to get a breath of air, they would push themselves up on the nails in their feet just to get some air . to keep that from happening the legs would be broken. with so much more stress being added they then suffocate .

And the shape of the cross comes from historical sources that observed crucifixions. The early crucifixions may have been on an upright stake, but the claim that Jesus carried his "cross" supports the idea that he carried the crosspiece. You should try to build a fence some day. It can be very educational

 

[YoursTrue]

No, what I said was very accurate. You are forgetting about the other errors in the Gospels.

That's not true. What you said about the idea of being executed for thievery is inaccurate because the use of the Greek language in reference to Roman law has different aspects, but unfortunately you are, as usual, sadly unwilling to admit your error. And that's sad to me because it shows that you are self-aggrandizing to the point that you cannot and will not admit what's right, even subjectively on a scholarly basis.
You present more reason for me to stay off juries. I am sure yo're not the only one that goes along with preformed and prejudiced notions. So thanks for augmenting that.
Yes, you did rightly bring out that common thievery without violence was not a capital crime, and as I did research into the words the Greeks used, that is correct, but words can have shades of discernment. Therefore, as Greek scholars explain, thievery along with violence and possibly bandits with weapons was a capital crime in the Roman government, subjecting the criminals to the death penalty. And then you want to shift the focus again instead of admitting what is true. And then perhaps moving on. What is of interest to me particularly in reference to human nature is that one thief condemned by the state was recognizing the truth about Jesus while the other did not. So have a good evening.