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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
i have no reason to tell you how the nails were re moved
Actually when you make certain claims you take on a burden of proof. You are the one claiming that they were removed. That puts the burden of proof upon you. If you could ask a proper question I could explain and support my belief. You should try doing that.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
And I surmise-reason-figure based on your comments that you think-believe you (and perhaps everyone else) will become dust after you die...you, as you know yourself, will not be you or anything more than dust.
Right now it appears that death is the end. If there was an afterlife it could be interesting. But too many religious ones have a heaven that would eventually become no different from Hell.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Right now it appears that death is the end. If there was an afterlife it could be interesting. But too many religious ones have a heaven that would eventually become no different from Hell.
lol, I don't think so, but thanks for the laugh anyway in a good sense. Now, allow me to explain. From what I have learned, and I don't want to get too detailed right now, hell has certainly been misconstrued by religious zealots misunderstanding the scriptures, and so has the idea of heaven. But that's all I will say now about that. Except -- I don't want to go to heaven -- God has not put it in my heart and mind to be there. I want to be on the earth. And the Bible says the earth will be transformed eventually. But! that's all I will say for now and bid you a good evening. :)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
lol, I don't think so, but thanks for the laugh anyway in a good sense. Now, allow me to explain. From what I have learned, and I don't want to get too detailed right now, hell has certainly been misconstrued by religious zealots misunderstanding the scriptures, and so has the idea of heaven. But that's all I will say now about that. Except -- I don't want to go to heaven -- God has not put it in my heart and mind to be there. I want to be on the earth. And the Bible says the earth will be transformed eventually. But! that's all I will say for now and bid you a good evening. :)
Uh huh. In other words you reinterpret the Bible to suit yourself. Can you try to make a rational argument for your beliefs rather than just arguing how you want it to be?

If you want to base heaven on how you want it to be there are far better religions than Christianity. May I interest you in Pastafarianism?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Uh huh. In other words you reinterpret the Bible to suit yourself. Can you try to make a rational argument for your beliefs rather than just arguing how you want it to be?

If you want to base heaven on how you want it to be there are far better religions than Christianity. May I interest you in Pastafarianism?
Well, we're talking about heaven and/or hell here and this thread is not about that. So if you really want to discuss it, perhaps you can start a thread about it, and let me know...but at least you did say you think that a dead person goes back to the dust, ground, or whatever.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Well, we're talking about heaven and/or hell here and this thread is not about that. So if you really want to discuss it, perhaps you can start a thread about it, and let me know...but at least you did say you think that a dead person goes back to the dust, ground, or whatever.
You brought up the afterlife. Why do you think that it is okay to attack others and then not support your claims?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You can believe anything that you want. You can believe that you become the Tooth Fairy after you die if you like. The question is if your beliefs are rational or not.
OK, I'm going to start a thread specifically with that in mind regarding the dead physically.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
your belief ? get right down to it your beliefs dont matter much to me. i have studied scripture for 50+ years. you?
Have you? I doubt it. You have merely read the Bible. That is only one part of studying. Have you found the endless self contradictions? Have you noted the poor reasoning and bad morals?

Sadly you still cannot properly support your beliefs here.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
That is not an excuse for you bad behavior.
:) Oh really? My behavior wasn't 'bad,' anyway. But because I put up a new thread hoping you would participate, you say that's "bad behavior"? OK, so you won't or don't participate. Obviously your choice, it's ok. :)
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Have you? I doubt it. You have merely read the Bible. That is only one part of studying. Have you found the endless self contradictions? Have you noted the poor reasoning and bad morals?

Sadly you still cannot properly support your beliefs here.
How do you view your morals?
 
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