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Cuba - Two Sides

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The riots in Cuba, I'm hearing two side to the story.

One, Cuba is another failed socialist experiment, and the protestors want economic freedom and capitalism.

Two, the protesters are puppets of the US imperialist regime and the economic problems the country faces are the result of the continued US sanctions.

Do you support the protesters or the government?
Should the US lift sanctions, support the current government or side with the protesters and their desire for capitalism?

Cuba protests: Thousands rally against government as economy struggles
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Both sides have elements of the truth. If there were not the harsh rules the US has imposed, then failures would be clearly linked to command economic policies. And COVID wiped out the tourist industry and caused economic disruption.

But it's also true that command economic policies have failed. And the odds of gigantic companies failing are also higher because inside a very large business there is also a command economy. with senior management suppressing or ignoring good ideas from below.

Cuba’s Economic Crisis Is Spurring Much-Needed Action on Reforms is an interesting article from a few months ago.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
Whatever the causes overthrowing Cuba’s authoritarian system should be part of the cure.

The regime might be open to reform these last few years. I don't think revolution is necessary anymore. I might be proving wrong in the next few days, but I believe the regime will agree to some more liberalization. Any "overthrowing" of the regime would, in my opinion, return Cuba to a copy of the Batista regime which was arguably even worst.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
By coincidence, I saw this article just a bit ago. He NAILED it perfectly.

I’ve lived under Donald Trump and Fidel Castro. Both taught me the importance of defending truth.

¡Cuidado con el coco! This warning about a mythical character, never seen but feared, was a staple of childhood in Cuba. A boogeyman, el coco kept us in line by making us afraid of the unknown. But I was also taught that there was another threatening creature, a real one: The United States was the ultimate el coco, whose big toothy shores wanted to devour our island. Fearing it would keep us in line.
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It also made me aware that the extremes meet in the end and that whether on the left (as in Cuba) or on the right (as in Trumpism), extremism for the sake of power results in the erosion of human thought, truth and agency. The Gospel I believe in stands up against lies, wherever they come from, and against anything that assails the common good. These are not values shared by either extreme.

At the height of the pandemic, I asked someone to please mask up or move away, only to hear them cry, “It’s a free country!” People who have no idea what it is to have no freedom under a brutally repressive regime bandy about phrases like this. It is insulting. It is ignorant. It is the outcome of a world in which ideologies no longer mean anything and at the same time have intensified and appear to mean everything
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This is the truth no one wants to talk about because the powerful on the left and on the right benefit from it. A truly communist country would not build tourist hotels—that’s capitalism. A truly democratic country would not pass voter suppression laws like those being sponsored by Republican legislatures; that is undemocratic and dangerous.
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When Pope Francis brokered a rapprochement between the United States and Cuba in 2014, he knew exactly what he was doing: Take away el coco, deal a blow to the Cuban propaganda machine, bring about relations people to people. Undo the false ideological labels. Help all. I hope that those of us who live in the world of both/and truth-telling will prevail across the 90 miles that separate us. If we focus on the truth of the common good in Cuba, here and everywhere, then the path is clear. Adiós, el coco.
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
The riots in Cuba, I'm hearing two side to the story.

One, Cuba is another failed socialist experiment, and the protestors want economic freedom and capitalism.

Two, the protesters are puppets of the US imperialist regime and the economic problems the country faces are the result of the continued US sanctions.

Do you support the protesters or the government?
Should the US lift sanctions, support the current government or side with the protesters and their desire for capitalism?

Cuba protests: Thousands rally against government as economy struggles

the US has a rather dysfunctional system, compared to most civilized countries (for instance, corporations are persons, a majority of voters does not elect the president, pure capitalism is a failing system where all the wealth of a nation is designed to trickle upward, and a delusional narcissist was elected to lead the country), so the US should STAY OUT of other country’s business, please.

just my kind and humble opinion

therefore, I would support the lifting of sanctions
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
the US has a rather dysfunctional system, compared to most civilized countries (for instance, corporations are persons, a majority of voters does not elect the president, pure capitalism is a failing system where all the wealth of a nation is designed to trickle upward, and a delusional narcissist was elected to lead the country), so the US should STAY OUT of other country’s business, please.

just my kind and humble opinion

therefore, I would support the lifting of sanctions

I tend to agree the US shouldn't involved itself in the business of other countries. If the US doesn't want to do business with Cuba, fine but the US also bullies other countries into not doing business with Cuba.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The riots in Cuba, I'm hearing two side to the story.

One, Cuba is another failed socialist experiment, and the protestors want economic freedom and capitalism.

Two, the protesters are puppets of the US imperialist regime and the economic problems the country faces are the result of the continued US sanctions.

Do you support the protesters or the government?
Should the US lift sanctions, support the current government or side with the protesters and their desire for capitalism?

Cuba protests: Thousands rally against government as economy struggles
It shut AOC and Bernie up quicker than a plunger set in concrete.

I was impressed.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
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