Culture clash in the hallway

[Madhuri]

I like Egyptian language, though I don't understand the words it sounds really good in song.

 

[Vile Atheist]

really? it is YOUR views! i never said i approve death threats or anything like that. you just assumed i did and that is YOUR views.

Like I said, your posts make it seem like you were defending that sort of behaviour. Now I know you weren't. Misunderstanding is cleared up.

 

[.lava]

...So they could fight off the Russians who had invaded Afghanistan in the 1980s

it was the same Taleban!!! it was the same crulty!!

oh gosh....hyporacy!!





.

 

[Vile Atheist]

it was the same Taleban!!! it was the same crulty!!

oh gosh....hyporacy!!

Russia during the 1980s had a nuclear weapons arsenal second to only the United States. Both countries had - and still have - the capabilites of obliterating this entire planet at a moments notice.

Russia was - at the time - a much bigger threat than the Taliban.

That isn't to say I agreed with giving weapons to the Taliban. I'm merely saying why the US government did what it did.

 

[.lava]

Like I said, your posts make it seem like you were defending that sort of behaviour. Now I know you weren't. Misunderstanding is cleared up.

yea but my point that you do not get still remains.





.

 

[.lava]

Russia during the 1980s had a nuclear weapons arsenal second to only the United States. Both countries had - and still have - the capabilites of obliterating this entire planet at a moments notice.

Russia was - at the time - a much bigger threat than the Taliban.

That isn't to say I agreed with giving weapons to the Taliban. I'm merely saying why the US government did what it did.

reason belongs to Western but it is Muslims who's dying over it. if Taleban did not matter that day, then why does it matter now? after Western troops went to Afhan land, ophium growing made its peak, a peak in its entire history. but of course i am not saying your friend spent his time growing ophium. he just like all the Western troops are abused by your governments to gain more money, to make sure Muslims kill each other and make sure so-called Muslim governmets become servants of Western governments.





.

 

[Vile Atheist]

reason belongs to Western but it is Muslims who's dying over it. if Taleban did not matter that day, then why does it matter now? after Western troops went to Afhan land, ophium growing made its peak, a peak in its entire history. but of course i am not saying your friend spent his time growing ophium. he just like all the Western troops are abused by your governments to gain more money, to make sure Muslims kill each other and make sure so-called Muslim governmets become servants of Western governments.

I'm not sure what you expect me to do about things that happened before I was even born and by governments my parents didn't even vote for. I condemn all atrocities, regardless of who is the perpetrator and who is the victim.

What are you trying to achieve here? What is the point of this?

 

[.lava]

I'm not sure what you expect me to do about things that happened before I was even born and by governments my parents didn't even vote for. I condemn all atrocities, regardless of who is the perpetrator and who is the victim.

What are you trying to achieve here? What is the point of this?

you call me barbarian then do not play 'i was not born yet' card to me. Taleban that's created, supported, trained by Western governments made Afghan people suffer for years. but they were kept being supported. simply because they were inside weapon of USA against Russia. today, there is no Russia and what Taleban do to Afghan people became the excuse of the very same Western government's army enter there and kill Muslims. did not Canada or USA or French or England...etc know about that before? of course they did. they just did not care for it. cos they did not care for Muslims. even though they use Taleban and helping Muslims as their cover, they still do not care for Muslims. they are not there for Muslims. does not matter how troops feel or what troops 'think' they are there for. and it goes on and on. everyday Muslims die. every single day. then i come here and read posts about how civilized Western are, how some Muslim guy do not belong civilized society...etc. how am i supposed to feel? i just would not care for a complaint like this while Western troops are actually killing Muslims. so do not expect me to take this kind of complaints seriously. your precious values, your life styles....you defend all of it against Muslim individuals as your troops break into any house the want, arrest anyone they want and kill civilians and then say 'oops! we are sorry' and go on.







.

 

[.lava]

I'm not sure what you expect me to do

i expect you to do NOTHING. you are not able to see it. one guy yells at someone else and allusions take place....simply words, maybe silly fights over a silly arguement and yu can not tqake it, you can not accept it....even this silly thing is way too much for you and it is a threat to your society. but on the other hand USA supposting Taleban is accpeted because of Russia...Western troops walk on Muslim land with guns in their hands, they bomb villiages and kill civilians is acceptable. because you agree with their so-called reasons. but you can not handle one single silly incident in your own land. if the slightest thing happen in your nation, you figh against it while the wrost thing happned to another, it is OK. then you tell me what my point is. my point is good bye dude! have a nice day! go fight for your rights! go fight over a silly things! go argue for your society and let Muslim nations ruined by your leaders.






.

 

[Vile Atheist]

you call me barbarian then do not play 'i was not born yet' card to me. Taleban that's created, supported, trained by Western governments made Afghan people suffer for years. but they were kept being supported. simply because they were inside weapon of USA against Russia. today, there is no Russia and what Taleban do to Afghan people became the excuse of the very same Western government's army enter there and kill Muslims. did not Canada or USA or French or England...etc know about that before? of course they did. they just did not care for it. cos they did not care for Muslims. even though they use Taleban and helping Muslims as their cover, they still do not care for Muslims. they are not there for Muslims. does not matter how troops feel or what troops 'think' they are there for. and it goes on and on. everyday Muslims die. every single day. then i come here and read posts about how civilized Western are, how some Muslim guy do not belong civilized society...etc. how am i supposed to feel? i just would not care for a complaint like this while Western troops are actually killing Muslims. so do not expect me to take this kind of complaints seriously. your precious values, your life styles....you defend all of it against Muslim individuals as your troops break into any house the want, arrest anyone they want and kill civilians and then say 'oops! we are sorry' and go on.

Uhhhh....I thought this was settled already?

But clearly the barbarian doesn't know the meaning of diplomacy.

Especially with someone who has said many times throughout this thread that he reviles all suffering, no matter who the perpetrator is and who the victim is. If you cannot see past your hatred and think people are justified in responding to friendly greetings with death threats (as this post now seems to indicate, contrary to what you said earlier) on the basis of OTHER crimes, then yeah, you are a barbarian plain and simple.

And no, not because you are a Muslim. But because you don't feel compassion for anyone that isn't in your own little bubble of ignorance. You honestly think that any crime is justified on the basis of others? No wonder there has been so much violence in the Middle East. If this sort of mentality is indeed common to Muslims, no wonder that region of the world will continue to be immersed in violence and death.

Sorry, this thread is about how a guy was offended by a friendly greeting. Not about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. And if you think the two are somehow interconnected, then you are not only a barbarian, but you are deluded.

And I make no apologies. Your way of thinking revolts me.

 

[.lava]

Uhhhh....I thought this was settled already?

But clearly the barbarian doesn't know the meaning of diplomacy.

Especially with someone who has said many times throughout this thread that he reviles all suffering, no matter who the perpetrator is and who the victim is. If you cannot see past your hatred and think people are justified in responding to friendly greetings with death threats (as this post now seems to indicate, contrary to what you said earlier) on the basis of OTHER crimes, then yeah, you are a barbarian plain and simple.

And no, not because you are a Muslim. But because you don't feel compassion for anyone that isn't in your own little bubble of ignorance. You honestly think that any crime is justified on the basis of others? No wonder there has been so much violence in the Middle East. If this sort of mentality is indeed common to Muslims, no wonder that region of the world will continue to be immersed in violence and death.

Sorry, this thread is about how a guy was offended by a friendly greeting. Not about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. And if you think the two are somehow interconnected, then you are not only a barbarian, but you are deluded.

And I make no apologies. Your way of thinking revolts me.

it is not me who justifies crimes. supporting a terror group is a crime.

i do not hate anyone! i just do not welcome hypocracy. but you're Canadian and i do not have so much info on Canada. yet if you're going to justify USA supporting Taleban, then i am sorry you are a hypocrat person.

i am not asking for your apologies. i just wish Western people could see what their governments doing to Muslims. you just can not see because you only care for your own safety.

yea my bubble of ignorance...




.

 

[Vile Atheist]

i expect you to do NOTHING. you are not able to see it. one guy yells at someone else and allusions take place....simply words, maybe silly fights over a silly arguement and yu can not tqake it, you can not accept it....even this silly thing is way too much for you and it is a threat to your society. but on the other hand USA supposting Taleban is accpeted because of Russia...Western troops walk on Muslim land with guns in their hands, they bomb villiages and kill civilians is acceptable. because you agree with their so-called reasons. but you can not handle one single silly incident in your own land. if the slightest thing happen in your nation, you figh against it while the wrost thing happned to another, it is OK. then you tell me what my point is. my point is good bye dude! have a nice day! go fight for your rights! go fight over a silly things! go argue for your society and let Muslim nations ruined by your leaders.

Where did I say any of this? I've re-iterated two main points throughout this entire thread

1) I revile all suffering, regardless of who perpetrated it and who the victim is and

2) If this guy was offended by a greeting, perhaps living in a country where this is common isn't the wisest thing to do.

Why do you insist on putting words in my mouth? Not only that, but you blatantly ignore things I've said repeatedly in this thread. When a house of innocent people gets bombed in Iraq, I revile that suffering, too. I'm not sure why you think 1) does not apply to Muslims or something?

This is your deluded fantasy where everything someone says somehow offends you and they somehow are hypocrites. I have said nothing hypocritical.

I recognize there are crimes committed by Western troops in Muslim countries. But I also recognize some good is being done too with good intent in many soldiers minds. What is the problem here?

 

[Madhuri]

Lava, many westerners do see and CONDEMN our governments for their influence on the war and terror in the middle east. Most people were against the war. There is a lot of criticism against our own government for what they have done and continue to do.
I do not think that CMaximus is supporting the government's actions.

 

[Vile Atheist]

it is not me who justifies crimes. supporting a terror group is a crime.

i do not hate anyone! i just do not welcome hypocracy. but you're Canadian and i do not have so much info on Canada. yet if you're going to justify USA supporting Taleban, then i am sorry you are a hypocrat person.

i am not asking for your apologies. i just wish Western people could see what their governments doing to Muslims. you just can not see because you only care for your own safety.

yea my bubble of ignorance...

I'm going to quote myself and add emphasis so you can see for yourself why you are full of crap.

Russia during the 1980s had a nuclear weapons arsenal second to only the United States. Both countries had - and still have - the capabilites of obliterating this entire planet at a moments notice.

Russia was - at the time - a much bigger threat than the Taliban.

That isn't to say I agreed with giving weapons to the Taliban. I'm merely saying why the US government did what it did.

 

[Vile Atheist]

Lava, many westerners do see and CONDEMN our governments for their influence on the war and terror in the middle east. Most people were against the war. There is a lot of criticism against our own government for what they have done and continue to do.
I do not think that CMaximus is supporting the government's actions.

I explicitly said I oppose it and he has this deluded fantasy I go home and take baths in the blood of Muslim children.

Such ignorance must surely be blissful.

 

[Vile Atheist]

Just so there's no confusion, lemme put that up again in nice big lettering:

That isn't to say I agreed with giving weapons to the Taliban.

Yep...that's my hypocrisy.

 

[Vile Atheist]

And once more, just to drive the point home. Because it's quite clear no matter how many times I post something and no matter how many times I unequivocally say something, someone tries to accuse me of something entirely idiotic and against my principles, despite me railing against those very things.

So, just so we have no more "misunderstandings":

That isn't to say I agreed with giving weapons to the Taliban.

 

[Vile Atheist]

If you need that a few more times, don't hesitate to request.

 

[Vile Atheist]

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...w-would-you-solve-israeli-palestinian-28.html

The above is what someone who apparently supports warcrimes thinks should happen in the Israel-Palestine conflict. Go on. Read my comments.

Need any more justification, or have you had enough of baselessly accusing people of bigotry for one day?

 

[Sahar]

I always find it interesting when Muslims say things like this, as if they honestly can't see women as anything but chattel. Muslims have "their" women and Westerners have "their" women, and if Western women don't dress like the most conservative Muslim women, it's because Westerners have bared "their" women.

It's a line of argument that doesn't even acknowledge women as Muslims, Westerners, or even as fully human beings. It's disturbing enough when Muslim men take these attitudes; when Muslim women embrace them, it's mind-boggling.

Western women dress themselves. A Western woman who sought her husband's permission to dress as she pleased would be considered a pathetic doormat.

So Western women dress themselves and Muslim women are brainwashed by "their" men?!
Just for your info, what I said was a direct reply to:

Do you have any idea how us Westerners feel when Muslims cover their women in burkas?

Using his words...

I can't imagine any reason for anybody in his right mind to give a damn what Muslims think about how Western women dress -- except to the extent that so many Muslims express their opinions with violence, and that's a matter for the police.

So, habibi, why did you bother replying to what I said, if you don't give a damn what Muslims think (I am sure you're in your right mind)?

Yes, I have. It's one of the reasons I have such contempt for the kind of Islam you embrace.

It's Islam's pleasure...