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Dating and marriage – Part 2

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Nothing has really changed for the better since I posted the previous thread on dating and marriage about four months ago. One man I had been talking to on the phone is now completely out of the picture and I am very grateful for that since that would have been a complete disaster.

But if I think about it, which I try not to do, this situation is all so depressing and it only gets worse as time goes on. I don’t want to be alone for the rest of my life but I don’t think there are any men who I am compatible with as far as personality, interests, values, and lifestyle are concerned. Even if there are men who I might be compatible with, I have to way to meet them since dating sites are not working for me. I don’t think I am going to ‘find’ anyone or that anyone is going to find me on a dating site, but maybe I am just impatient. Unfortunately, I have no other way to meet a man because I don’t go to bars or clubs and I don’t socialize in groups.

I finally realized that if I just happened to meet a man, it would have to happen because it was my fate, God’s will, not by my free will efforts.

I know myself very well, so I know that my life is not going to change as long as I remain single because I know there are many things that I cannot do by myself, and I don’t want to do fun things all by myself. Maybe it is okay if my life just stays the same, but if it stays the same, I am not going to blame myself because I will know I did all I can do. Some people think I could do more but I know the limit of my capacities given my personality and lifestyle.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Dating is tough. My own situation is that I've had a boyfriend for some months, but things just kind of.... fizzled out. My honest opinion is that it seems a stable relationship, but not an exciting relationship. I miss having a spark or great chemistry, and as I think about things more, the thought sometimes crosses my mind of asking myself what I'm doing with a masculine man to begin with - perhaps I just craved attention and liked some qualities in him - when I prefer feminine people and would probably be better off with some Pan woman, who is a bit less old-fashioned than him.

He's sweet, and I feel something for him and we have some good memories... but it's almost like I'm holding back the inevitable of leaving him or saying I just want to be friends, despite things having fizzled out so much, that I'm picturing even a breakup as a 5-minute casual conversation in which neither of us really cares that much.

I also fear being Single a bit, too.
 
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The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Nothing has really changed for the better since I posted the previous thread on dating and marriage about four months ago. One man I had been talking to on the phone is now completely out of the picture and I am very grateful for that since that would have been a complete disaster.
I'm sorry you're going through this. It is tough to be single at times.
But if I think about it, which I try not to do, this situation is all so depressing and it only gets worse as time goes on. I don’t want to be alone for the rest of my life but I don’t think there are any men who I am compatible with as far as personality, interests, values, and lifestyle are concerned. Even if there are men who I might be compatible with, I have to way to meet them since dating sites are not working for me. I don’t think I am going to ‘find’ anyone or that anyone is going to find me on a dating site, but maybe I am just impatient.
Dating sites are disheartening. I don't use them anymore because it was so seldom I'd match with someone, and even more seldom it worked out.

I blame the awful algorithms! Most dating sites put the users with the most swipes at the top of the algorithm, which makes it so very unbalanced. If you are going to use them, don't put all of your faith in them. Maybe use them as a side thing to increase your chances of meeting someone by 1%.
Unfortunately, I have no other way to meet a man because I don’t go to bars or clubs and I don’t socialize in groups.
Why don't you socialize in groups? Are you in any groups?
I finally realized that if I just happened to meet a man, it would have to happen because it was my fate, God’s will, not by my free will efforts.
That's pretty much how I feel. However, being agnostic, I can't rely on that belief too much. I know what I want, I don't know if it's written in fate, so I'm going to give it some elbow grease. Of course, having self respect makes it a very slow process unfortunately. Just as keeping an eye out for opportunities is a big part of the game, patience is another big part of it. Faith in God helps with that patience.
I know myself very well, so I know that my life is not going to change as long as I remain single because I know there are many things that I cannot do by myself, and I don’t want to do fun things all by myself.
I think I know what you mean when you say "I don't want to do fun things all by myself." If I'm watching a show and yell in excitement, or laugh at something funny, I wish there was another person to share that joy with. If I'm out on a car ride and singing to a song lyric by lyric, I wish there would be someone there to sing it with me. When I go to diners it'd be nice to have someone to talk to. etc. -- Am I close?

I think it's important to enjoy these things anyway, so that we don't lose our sense of self. Joy can slip away from us, we can become numb. We have to laugh, we have to be free spirited, we have to enjoy life, even if there is nobody there to enjoy it with us.
Maybe it is okay if my life just stays the same, but if it stays the same, I am not going to blame myself because I will know I did all I can do. Some people think I could do more but I know the limit of my capacities given my personality and lifestyle.
Sometimes it is a good thing to push your limits. Walk a block further from what you're comfortable with and you may just find a pot of gold on the trail. But you know your own limits, and it's good to respect them lest you overburden yourself and exhaust yourself more.


Good luck, Trailblazer. I hope the best for you!
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I'm sorry you're going through this. It is tough to be single at times.
Thanks for understanding. I don't think being single would be tough for me if I had never been married. I was not even looking for a man or to get married when my late husband happened along. Of course I cannot know what would have happened if he hadn't, I might have met and married someone else or I might have stayed single.
Dating sites are disheartening. I don't use them anymore because it was so seldom I'd match with someone, and even more seldom it worked out.

I blame the awful algorithms! Most dating sites put the users with the most swipes at the top of the algorithm, which makes it so very unbalanced. If you are going to use them, don't put all of your faith in them. Maybe use them as a side thing to increase your chances of meeting someone by 1%.
That is good to hear from someone who has actually used these sites. All you ever hear are the success stories, you never see the other side of the coin. Having given up on the Baha'i dating sites and some others with no success, I though eHarmony might be better, but it has proven to be the worst one! The men they match me with are not matches at all.

The best site I have been on is Spiritual Singles, but most of the men I like live too far from me. I have had messages going back and forth with a man who lives in Kansas for quite a while, but he is not moving nor am I, but it has become a good friendship. He was also widowed and has no children so we share that in common.

My brother met his wife on a Baha'i dating site but I guess he was just lucky.
Why don't you socialize in groups? Are you in any groups?
There aren't any groups I am interested in joining. There are the Baha'is, but they don't really socialize. All they do is have devotionals and study groups and I find that boring.
That's pretty much how I feel. However, being agnostic, I can't rely on that belief too much. I know what I want, I don't know if it's written in fate, so I'm going to give it some elbow grease. Of course, having self respect makes it a very slow process unfortunately. Just as keeping an eye out for opportunities is a big part of the game, patience is another big part of it. Faith in God helps with that patience.
In spite of the fact that I believe it will be fate if I find a man or if he finds me, I am not leaving it to fate, since if I don't do any looking I probably won't find anyone. My first marriage was a fluke but I don't expect that to happen again, not unless some nice Baha'i hears me talking or reads my posts and sets me up with a Baha'i man. Yes, I know I need to exercise more patience. I have a patient personality but I also feel like I always need to be doing something, and then when nothing happens as a result I get discouraged.
I think I know what you mean when you say "I don't want to do fun things all by myself." If I'm watching a show and yell in excitement, or laugh at something funny, I wish there was another person to share that joy with. If I'm out on a car ride and singing to a song lyric by lyric, I wish there would be someone there to sing it with me. When I go to diners it'd be nice to have someone to talk to. etc. -- Am I close?
Yes, you are close. I am okay watching a TV show or a movie alone but it would be nice to have someone here to share that with. But it is mostly going out alone I cannot do. I mean I am not going to go to a restaurant or a movie and sit by myself. The most I would do is go to a fast food restaurant alone. I go for walks alone and that is okay, although it would be nice to have someone to go with.

Honestly, the hardest part of being single is having to deal with taking care of this house all by myself. I was doing that when my late husband was alive so that's nothing new, but I always hoped that if I got married again I could find a man who was handy and liked doing yard-work. It is also difficult to take care of eight Persian cats all by myself. I can do the physical labor like litter boxes and cleaning, but I cannot comb out some of them all by myself since I need another person to hold them. I am going to have to call a mobile groomer soon.
I think it's important to enjoy these things anyway, so that we don't lose our sense of self. Joy can slip away from us, we can become numb. We have to laugh, we have to be free spirited, we have to enjoy life, even if there is nobody there to enjoy it with us.
You raise a good point. Last Saturday the CPA who does my taxed told me I need to do something for myself so I stopped on the way home and got some Chinese food. I haven't had any of that in a long time so t was a nice change. Every little thing counts and for me it is baby steps.

It would be nice to be married again, but I don't really need a husband in order to go out and enjoy life. I could do that with a boyfriend or even a friend if I could find one. My CPA who is 10 years younger than me was widowed 15 years ago and he also lost his only son who was 10 years old. Even though he isn't married or dating he has friends to do things with, including traveling because he has lived in this city since he was born and he has a lot of friends here. I have moved from state to state so I never made friends, and I was always too busy to make time for friends. I had one friend and now he is gone. I have one other friend, my best friend, but he lives in a distant state.
Sometimes it is a good thing to push your limits. Walk a block further from what you're comfortable with and you may just find a pot of gold on the trail. But you know your own limits, and it's good to respect them lest you overburden yourself and exhaust yourself more.
I just take one day at a time and do what I can do on that day. I am still in a state of shock and disbelief over what happened last year because it was very sudden and I had no time to adjust to the idea of being left alone, like most people who lose a spouse from a long drawn out illness. It is hard to talk about and even harder to think about so I stay as busy as possible. I do have a counselor I talk to on Zoom every two weeks.

A couple of months ago I stepped out of my comfort zone when I joined a GriefShare group at a church and I attend that every Saturday for two hours. Even though it is a serious subject, it is a social event for me and it gives me practice socializing since I have never been social.
Good luck, Trailblazer. I hope the best for you!
Thanks, I hope the best for you too!
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Thanks for understanding. I don't think being single would be tough for me if I had never been married. I was not even looking for a man or to get married when my late husband happened along. Of course I cannot know what would have happened if he hadn't, I might have met and married someone else or I might have stayed single.

That is good to hear from someone who has actually used these sites. All you ever hear are the success stories, you never see the other side of the coin. Having given up on the Baha'i dating sites and some others with no success, I though eHarmony might be better, but it has proven to be the worst one! The men they match me with are not matches at all.

The best site I have been on is Spiritual Singles, but most of the men I like live too far from me. I have had messages going back and forth with a man who lives in Kansas for quite a while, but he is not moving nor am I, but it has become a good friendship. He was also widowed and has no children so we share that in common.
Friends are amazing!
My brother met his wife on a Baha'i dating site but I guess he was just lucky.

There aren't any groups I am interested in joining. There are the Baha'is, but they don't really socialize. All they do is have devotionals and study groups and I find that boring.
Fair enough. Likewise, there are not any groups near me that I am interested in joining. In fact, none at all by the looks of it aside from Christian churches. I am keeping an open mind to new hobbies if I do come across something I might be interested in. I almost went to a Christian Bible Study Group but I backed out, I didn't think I'd click with my different beliefs.
In spite of the fact that I believe it will be fate if I find a man or if he finds me, I am not leaving it to fate, since if I don't do any looking I probably won't find anyone. My first marriage was a fluke but I don't expect that to happen again, not unless some nice Baha'i hears me talking or reads my posts and sets me up with a Baha'i man. Yes, I know I need to exercise more patience. I have a patient personality but I also feel like I always need to be doing something, and then when nothing happens as a result I get discouraged.
You just gotta do what a woman's gotta do :)
Yes, you are close. I am okay watching a TV show or a movie alone but it would be nice to have someone here to share that with. But it is mostly going out alone I cannot do. I mean I am not going to go to a restaurant or a movie and sit by myself. The most I would do is go to a fast food restaurant alone. I go for walks alone and that is okay, although it would be nice to have someone to go with.

Honestly, the hardest part of being single is having to deal with taking care of this house all by myself. I was doing that when my late husband was alive so that's nothing new, but I always hoped that if I got married again I could find a man who was handy and liked doing yard-work. It is also difficult to take care of eight Persian cats all by myself. I can do the physical labor like litter boxes and cleaning, but I cannot comb out some of them all by myself since I need another person to hold them. I am going to have to call a mobile groomer soon.

You raise a good point. Last Saturday the CPA who does my taxed told me I need to do something for myself so I stopped on the way home and got some Chinese food. I haven't had any of that in a long time so t was a nice change. Every little thing counts and for me it is baby steps.
Absolutely! Every little thing counts.
It would be nice to be married again, but I don't really need a husband in order to go out and enjoy life. I could do that with a boyfriend or even a friend if I could find one. My CPA who is 10 years younger than me was widowed 15 years ago and he also lost his only son who was 10 years old. Even though he isn't married or dating he has friends to do things with, including traveling because he has lived in this city since he was born and he has a lot of friends here. I have moved from state to state so I never made friends, and I was always too busy to make time for friends. I had one friend and now he is gone. I have one other friend, my best friend, but he lives in a distant state.
Is it possible that you could ask your CPA to hang out as a friend?
I just take one day at a time and do what I can do on that day. I am still in a state of shock and disbelief over what happened last year because it was very sudden and I had no time to adjust to the idea of being left alone, like most people who lose a spouse from a long drawn out illness. It is hard to talk about and even harder to think about so I stay as busy as possible. I do have a counselor I talk to on Zoom every two weeks.

A couple of months ago I stepped out of my comfort zone when I joined a GriefShare group at a church and I attend that every Saturday for two hours. Even though it is a serious subject, it is a social event for me and it gives me practice socializing since I have never been social.

Thanks, I hope the best for you too!
I'm happy for you! It sounds like you have people to fall back on with your zoom counselor and GriefShare group. And although they are distant, your friends as well.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Fair enough. Likewise, there are not any groups near me that I am interested in joining. In fact, none at all by the looks of it aside from Christian churches. I am keeping an open mind to new hobbies if I do come across something I might be interested in. I almost went to a Christian Bible Study Group but I backed out, I didn't think I'd click with my different beliefs.
Cats are my hobby and my passion but there are no cat clubs and not many cat shows, and when there are they are not local and they are mostly women.
Is it possible that you could ask your CPA to hang out as a friend?
I had thought about my CPA as more than a friend, but then I realized I was just fantasizing as usual. The fact that he is 10 years younger is a plus for me but not necessarily a plus for him. Besides, he is a smoker and I would worry about his health. Maybe next year when he does my taxes again we can touch base again and compare notes.
I'm happy for you! It sounds like you have people to fall back on with your zoom counselor and GriefShare group. And although they are distant, your friends as well.
It really helps to have the counselor and the GriefShare group and my best friend Duane who lives in Ohio and is on this forum as @Truthseeker.
 

walt

Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
What do you think is the main reasons so many marriages fall apart?
 

walt

Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
Looking back on my miserable marriage, its funny we both loved and cared about each-other so much in the beginning that we both wanted to get married.

At work everyday I kept getting raises and making progress, rapidly! Nobody explained to me how to be an excellent worker, I figured it out for myself, But I could not figure out for myself how to make progress in my marriage. In fact it started to go bad each day by day, I never made progress!
 

walt

Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
At work we have different rules,
  • We are always getting a paycheck in the near future.
  • We will get fired and replaced for low performance.
  • Doing our best usually gets the best results, If it doesn't we keep doing our best anyway, because it increases the odds.
  • I was always thinking, what can I do to make more money per hour?
Have you seen any wonderful marriages? And what is their secret?
 

walt

Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
Yes, mine.
No secret, just complete understanding and acceptance of each other.
Thank you so much for your advice, is there anything more you can add. to help other people that are married?

Are you the type of person that does the minimum? What is your approach?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Thank you so much for your advice, is there anything more you can add. to help other people that are married?

The usual, compatibility, trust, the ability to make the other laugh, and great sex.

Though i think what i said in my previous post is more important.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Are you the type of person that does the minimum? What is your approach?

No. I'm not the type of person to do the minimum, its got to be the best you can do or don't do it. That philosophy has served me well.
Always the maximum in everything ( or what i consider maximum, and hubby is the same )

Approach, just do it, whatever is needed, find out how it's done and do it.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Here's what I have learned


Don't freak out about: the rest of your life. That could be tomorrow or thirty years from now. Instead, focus on who and what you are TODAY. This actual moment in time. Once I started taking inventory that way, I realized that I don't want or need a man to complete me, but you do you.
 

walt

Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
What kind of mate would you rather have? Or maybe you have a better description?

A. A person that kept trying their best and failed.
or
B. A person that didn't try to much.
or
C. A person that asks me what I like and considers my feelings when trying something.

Just trying to give couples more info to work with.
 
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walt

Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
Is their any more details anyone can add to help people have a great relationship, no matter what?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
What kind of mate would you rather have? Or maybe you have a better description?

A. A person that kept trying their best and failed.
or
B. A person that didn't try to much.
or
C. A person that asks me what I like and considers my feelings when trying something.

Just trying to give couples more info to work with.

C.
 

walt

Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
Always the maximum in everything ( or what i consider maximum, and hubby is the same )
Looking back if I was to do the maximum [ my best ] it would become easier and easier to do my best, and my mate would probably enjoy the good results, and try to do the same. This way sounds a lot better than what I did in my marriage.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Is their any more details anyone can add to help people have a great relationship, no matter what?
I would add that being unselfish is very important. Where I went wrong was in being selfish and wanting what I wanted and not realizing that my late husband was doing his best, but he did not have the same drive or capacity that I had to advance himself. I did not know that at the time but I know it in retrospect. It did not cause us to get divorced but it did cause a lot of disharmony.

Another important thing is open and honest communication. That was a struggle for us because he was not open with me, since he had trust issues that originated in his childhood.
 
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