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Deadly In Portland

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I don't think any normal people want a race war.
But the left, both politicians & the media, benefit
from racial hostility, which offers power & profit.
One could argue that the right would glean the
same, but I think it actually hurts Trump's chances
for re-election.

Not really, from the Republican or Independent perspective Dems are just being idiots and they don't care about it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Not really, from the Republican or Independent perspective Dems are just being idiots and they don't care about it.
Caring is a funny thing. Something they'd normally oppose,
becomes acceptable if it serves achieving political goals.
Exempli gratia....
Persecuting whistleblowers
Putting illegal aliens in cages
Race baiting
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
Kyle Rittenhouse's attorney says his client acted in self-defense
Do you believe that opening fire on unarmed protesters and killing two of them is an act of self defense, and not an act of aggression?

If so, then why would you say opening fire on cops and not killing any of them is an act of aggression, when opening fire on civilians and killing two of them is not?
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
Since 911, there is an official authority to designate Antifa and Black Lives Matter as domestic terrorists.

[...]
And they have designated neither as terrorism.

By the way:

CBS News said:
Domestic terrorism is defined in the U.S. legal code but it is not codified as a law that can be prosecuted.
What is "domestic terrorism" and what can the law do about it? - CBS News



Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Whatever happens to the rioters is their own fault.
Are you serious? o_O

Do you actually believe that Rittenhouse's victims are responsible for their own murder?


Having a gun doesn't mean using it... unless you're Antifa.
That's nonsense and you know that.

Being a Marxist is not a violent act, nor an act of terrorism.
It is simply a political belief, which in the US is protected by the 1st amendment. Do you reject freedom of speech?
Do you think Marxism shouldn't be allowed or protected?
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Caring is a funny thing. Something they'd normally oppose,
becomes acceptable if it serves achieving political goals.
Exempli gratia....
Persecuting whistleblowers
Putting illegal aliens in cages
Race baiting

It's just these cards are so over-played in response to the most trivial of slights that they carry exactly zero weight. They may be true, or not, but no one cares anymore. It's just an old meme, and everyone knows old meme's die violently.

The Republican's currently aren't even playing the game, they're just letting Democrats commit suicide on their own. Certainly you have various staunch zealots on that side stoking the fires of rage, but even that is tired.

Let's face it -- perpetual outrage is hazardous to one's mental health and you can't have that and sanity, lol.
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
Some people:
People on both sides really need to calm down.
Stop the outrageous accusations against the other side.
[...]

The same people:
I don't think any normal people want a race war.
But the left, both politicians & the media, benefit
from racial hostility, which offers power & profit.
[...]

I guess claiming that "the left benefit from racial hostility" does not yet qualify as "outrageous".
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't condemn Michael Reinoehl for acting in self defence during the riot if that's what he did, but i do think with hindsight at least its easy to see there wasn't anything gained by weilding his firearm against law enforcement, even if he was afraid of the police doing so didn't deter them from shooting him, and he didn't take any of them down with him. All he did was make the police shooting look justified.

To be honest though having inflamed opposing armed groups show up to "defend" against each other strikes me as a recipe for needless lives lost. All the more reason to remove gun rights from ordinary citizens IMO
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's just these cards are so over-played in response to the most trivial of slights that they carry exactly zero weight. They may be true, or not, but no one cares anymore. It's just an old meme, and everyone knows old meme's die violently.

The Republican's currently aren't even playing the game, they're just letting Democrats commit suicide on their own. Certainly you have various staunch zealots on that side stoking the fires of rage, but even that is tired.

Let's face it -- perpetual outrage is hazardous to one's mental health and you can't have that and sanity, lol.
Trump also seems bent on political suicide.
I don't know what he really said about dead soldiers.
(The Atlantic, an anti-Trump source, offers no evidence.)
But even if it were something clumsily benign that was
mischievously weaponized, he's still handling it poorly.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I guess claiming that "the left benefit from racial hostility" does not yet qualify as "outrageous".
It's simple....
Do you think Trump's handling of race relations
helps or hurts his political standing?
I say it hurts, thus benefiting the opposition.

Do you think news media pique or lose interest
with their audiences by covering violent racially
charged hostilities between the left & the right?
Think of William R Hearst's "yellow journalism".
There is money to be made by sensationalizing
news by what & how it's covered & altered.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Have you read what wiki says about Black Pride vs White Pride?

One has been celebrated.
Black pride - Wikipedia
Black pride is a movement in response to dominant cultures and ideologies that encourages black people to celebrate black culture and embrace their African heritage. In the United States, it was a direct response to white racism especially during the Civil Rights Movement.

One has been libeled.
White pride - Wikipedia
White pride, or white power, is an expression primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints. It is also a slogan used by the prominent post-Ku Klux Klan group Stormfront

I believe that WLdon'tM to wikipedia.
What is wrong about what they said? Oh, right, nothing.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
People on both sides really need to calm down.
Stop the outrageous accusations against the other side.
End the calls for hostility & violence.
Antifa protester linked to shooting death of Patriot Prayer supporter is killed by US Marshals | Daily Mail Online
Excerpted....
Antifa gunman wanted for shooting dead pro-Trump activist in Portland is killed in shootout with marshals after he 'opened fire with an assault rifle' as officers tried to arrest him
  • WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT
  • Michael Reinoehl, 48, died Thursday as US Marshals moved to arrest him at his hideout in Washington State
  • Police say Reinoehl was armed with a gun and ran out of an apartment but they've yet to confirm if he fired
  • Witnesses say the suspect opened fire on police with a semi-automatic rifle, letting off 40 or 50 shots
  • He had just broken his silence in video interview with Vice News where he claimed he 'acted in self defense'
  • Portland Police reportedly suspect him in the fatal shooting of Aaron Danielson which happened on Saturday
  • Danielson was leaving a rally supporting President Donald Trump when he was shot dead in the street

An Antifa gunman who admitted shooting dead a supporter of the right-wing group Patriot Prayer in Portland, Oregon has been killed by US Marshals in a shoot-out as officers tried to arrest him.

Michael Reinoehl, 48, was killed as a federal task force attempted to apprehend him in Lacey, Washington, a senior Justice Department official said. Reinoehl was the prime suspect in the killing of Aaron 'Jay' Danielson, 39, who was shot in the chest Saturday night, the official said.

Federal agents from the FBI and the U.S. Marshals Service had located Reinoehl on Thursday after a warrant was issued for his arrest. During the encounter, Reinoehl was shot by at least one law enforcement officer who was working on the federal task force, the official said.

Yeah, it's getting to where I don't want to look at the news anymore. I'm in news overload.
Wonder why if it was self defense, he ran from the scene and fired on police officers? We'll never know.....
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Sanity is still an option ?
Get it while it’s fresh ...

Yep, it's amazing... All you gotta do is decide to just be worried about only your own life. (And, those within it, directly.) After that, not outraged by everyone else around you being a dumb butt, except for those where it matters for you. :D
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Trump also seems bent on political suicide.
I don't know what he really said about dead soldiers.
(The Atlantic, an anti-Trump source, offers no evidence.)
But even if it were something clumsily benign that was
mischievously weaponized, he's still handling it poorly.

"The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic."

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

You know, the problem with this starts right at the words, 'multiple sources.' I disregard these articles entirely because they're most certainly more fiction than fact. There is not a single source given in this entire article that someone could directly follow up with, so this is 'fake' journalism. You cannot make a claim like this that's controversial and support it by 'a friend of a friend said" and so on. Journalism has become so muddied these days I think most people would miss the distinction.

This IS a story: "Senior advisor John Smith confirmed the comments Trump made about the fallen troops in France, and said: "This is a terrible shame that he did this. We must honor our heroes.", etc. This lets other people follow up with the mentioned individual and confirm the details.The who, what, when, where, and how have been addressed.

This is NOT a story: "A friend of a senior advisor to the President claimed that Trump made this disparaging remark about the troops, and is truly stunned." These are just creative writing, and the only thing that is a fact here is that Trump's last name is, in fact, Trump and that senior advisors exist. There is no who (no idea who the source is), what (it's third party testimony, even the source isn't in a position to validate the nature of the comment), how (it's gossip, the source couldn't directly know), when (the 'source' wasn't present), or where. (the source had not attended the event and has no idea if their friend, the alleged first party, was lying, nor could they.)

Anyway, never trust reporting without named sources... This is fiction writing and that's all. This is done specifically to make it so that the source can't be validated and the propaganda can spread.

Besides, there is nothing more ironic than the leftist shill media pretending to be incensed by bad remarks about troops. Hypocrisy, lol.
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
They wouldn’t exist AT ALL if shooting black people wasn’t both routine and tacitly approved of by white supremacist jerks like Trump.

The black men currently the excuse for riots, were virtually career criminals. The one in Kenosha had a warrant out for his arrest, was tazed at least twice, and still got up and walked away. The one in Minnesota died of a drug overdose, straight up [unless you choose to believe that the real man of that name was dead 3 years ago].

The label of white supremacy needs to be addressed. And it has been, but because you seem to have missed it, let me post it a third time:

"Confidential documents call the anarchists that seek to counter white supremacists ‘domestic terrorists.’"
FBI, Homeland Security warn of more ‘antifa’ attacks

What you label white supremacy doesn't really seem to fit the definition.

Definition of white supremacy | Dictionary.com
White supremacy definition, the belief, theory, or doctrine that white people are inherently superior to people from all other racial and ethnic groups

BLM started out looking like a black supremacy group... seeking to counter white supremacists... which makes BLM domestic terrorists. But as it turns out, the black label was a sham to hide behind; because Antifa/BLM burnt an apartment building with BlackLivesthatdidn'tMattertothem living in it.

What color is a false flag?
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
That doesn't mean everyone in the movement is a Marxist. That would be the Guilt by Association fallacy

In that same set of articles is the term Organizer... that means proselytizing and passing on the training. Obama was a Community Organizer, too. Weather Underground trained Obama and those Marxist BLM founders. It's all a matter of public record, most of it on their website. If you don't know, maybe you choose not to know.

If you think that people who belong to such groups should know all of that before becoming involved, you'd be right. Sadly, some people don't spend much time doing their homework, before diving into things that are hazardous to their continued freedom.
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
"The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic."
...
Anyway, never trust reporting without named sources... This is fiction writing and that's all. This is done specifically to make it so that the source can't be validated and the propaganda can spread.

Besides, there is nothing more ironic than the leftist shill media pretending to be incensed by bad remarks about troops. Hypocrisy, lol.

""I would be willing to swear on anything that I never said that about our fallen heroes. There is nobody that respects them more. So, I just think it's a horrible, horrible thing," he told reporters, as he returned from a airport rally in Latrobe, Pennsylvania, Thursday night."
Trump denies report that he called service members "losers" and "suckers" - CBS News
'We're supposed to believe this?' Jeffrey Goldberg's excuse for keeping Atlantic's anti-Trump sources anonymous is literally incredible [video]
"Oh! An anonymous source has confirmed other anonymous sources? No way!"
'It passes every smell test'? Firefighters trust the Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg because they hate Trump and need super-sketchy story to be true
"If they weren't voting Trump before, they are now."
Video shows mostly peaceful protesters in Rochester, NY winning hearts and minds by torching a bus stop, mobbing restaurants, smashing tables and chasing off scared diners

Who is Jeffrey Goldberg?
"son of Ellen and Daniel Goldberg,[4] whom he describes as "very left-wing."
--wiki

Always always always, consider the source.
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Yeah right, he self defended himself by shooting a person in the back and killing him

Did you watch any part of the video? If so, did you happen to notice that he ran away, fell, and was immediately set upon by the RIOTERS?

What you would have done, however, peaceful soul that you no doubt are... is lay on the ground and have your head kicked in... before dying under the boots of the other "mostly peaceful protestors."
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Trump has disrespected the office so thoroughly and for so long that he has made a mockery of the US.

‘Flying monkey’ is a term which denotes a person used by a psychopath/narcissist for proxy abuse of their victims.
The flying monkeys are themselves victims, but just don’t know it.

Nonsense. The he did it first game won't work.

Your "flying monkey" epithet is name-calling, straight up. If I were the, I'm telling mommy type, my hand would have hit the report button, instead of this gentle reminder. Treat others as you wish to be treated, please.

NOW... I believe that every American who acts against the Constitution of the United States is a traitor. Protect and defend the Constitution means honor all of its separate parts. Not act disgruntled and want to tear the whole thing down when your guy doesn't win. That sort of play only ends up as a shaky seat upon which to set your guy. Why do people want to do that, these days? if they're not being used by the true psychopaths.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Anyway, never trust reporting without named sources...
The source appears to be John Kelly. Whether that was named in the article or not isn't important.
The report is real and is in line with other dumb things POTUS has mentioned about the military.
 
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