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Dear fellow Christians: Why do we celebrate the Lord's Day on Sunday instead of keeping the Sabbath?

IsmailaGodHasHeard

IsmailaGodHasHeard

Well-Known Member
I could not get a hold of my Pastor's wife so I though I would ask you guys. Edit: Please back up your position with Scripture from the Holy Bible. Thank you in advance.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Because Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
IsmailaGodHasHeard said:
I realize that but are we commanded to celebrate on Sunday or is it just tradition?
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It's tradition, but it goes back to the earliest Christian writings.

Remember, Christians celebrated the resurrection of Christ on Sunday because he rose from the dead on a Sunday. Jesus was long gone by then.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
IsmailaGodHasHeard said:
Oh, okay. I guess that makes sense.
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It really is that simple.

The earliest Christians probably worshipped every day, and had a larger gathering on Sundays (at least in Rome, where we have the most details about Sunday worship from Justin Martyr).
 
Villager

Villager

Active Member
IsmailaGodHasHeard said:
I could not get a hold of my Pastor's wife so I though I would ask you guys. Edit: Please back up your position with Scripture from the Holy Bible. Thank you in advance.
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Can one back up 'my Pastor's wife' from the Holy Bible?

'Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to beings that by nature are not gods. Now, however, that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and beggarly elemental spirits? How can you want to be enslaved to them again? You are observing special days, and months, and seasons, and years. I am afraid that my work for you may have been wasted.' Galatians 4:8-11 NRSV
 
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ronandcarol

ronandcarol

Member
Premium Member
Greetings,

Were'nt the 10 commandments carved in stone by God's own finger?
That fourth commandment doesn't seem to be listed in that same
placement where God originally carved it, #4. (in the Catholic listing)


Ron and Carol
 
IsmailaGodHasHeard

IsmailaGodHasHeard

Well-Known Member
Villager said:
Can one back up 'my Pastor's wife' from the Holy Bible?

'Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to beings that by nature are not gods. Now, however, that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and beggarly elemental spirits? How can you want to be enslaved to them again? You are observing special days, and months, and seasons, and years. I am afraid that my work for you may have been wasted.' Galatians 4:8-11 NRSV
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What I mean is that my pastor's wife knows more than I do.
 
Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
http://www.biblehistory.com/The%20Origin%20of%20Sunday%20Worship.html

Both Days Observed. One thing is clear: The weekly Christian Sunday--whenever it did arise--did not at first generally become a substitute for the Bible seventh-day Sabbath, Saturday; for both Saturday and Sunday were widely kept side by side for several centuries in early Christian history. Socrates Scholasticus, a church historian of the fifth century A.D., wrote, "For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries [the Lord's Supper] on the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this."[2] And Sozomen, a contemporary of Socrates, wrote, "The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria."[3] Thus, "almost everywhere" throughout Christendom, except in Rome and Alexandria, there were Christian worship services on both Saturday and Sunday as late as the fifth century. A number of other sources from the third to the fifth centuries also depict Christian observance of both Saturday and Sunday. For example, the Apostolic Constitutions, compiled in the fourth century, furnished instruction to "keep the Sabbath [Saturday], and the Lord's day [Sunday] festival; because the former is the memorial of the creation, and the latter of the resurrection." "Let the slaves work five days; but on the Sabbath-day [Saturday] and the Lord's day [Sunday] let them have leisure to go to church for instruction in piety."[4] Gregory of Nyssa in the late fourth century referred to the Sabbath and Sunday as "sisters."[5] And about A.D. 400 Asterius of Amasea declared that it was beautiful for Christians that the "team of these two days comes together"--"the Sabbath and the Lord's day,"[6] which each week gathers together the people with priests as their instructors. And in the fifth century, John Cassian refers to attendance in church on both Saturday and Sunday, stating that he had even seen a certain monk who sometimes fasted five days a week but would go to church on Saturday or on Sunday and bring home guests for a meal on those two days.[7] It is clear that none of these early writers confused Sunday with the Bible Sabbath. Sunday, the first day of the week, always followed the Sabbath, the seventh day. Furthermore, the historical records are clear in showing that the weekly cycle has remained unchanged from Christ's time till now, so that the Saturday and Sunday of those early centuries are still the Saturday and Sunday of today. Later in this article we will return to data from early church history of the second and subsequent centuries to trace the manner in which Sunday eventually eclipsed the Sabbath, but first it is important here to take a look at the New Testament evidence, inasmuch as the New Testament is normative for Christian practice.
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It appears the earliest Jewish sects (i.e. the original "Christians" who were counted as Jews by the Romans) did in fact still practice the Sabbath on Saturday, and this continued, with some Gentile observance as well, up until the 5th century until the State made it illegal through force. Nonetheless, even Sunday was considered a total rest day by Constantine. It appears that Rome and Alexandria were the only places to not do it, and since they were the power centers, its easy to imagine why.
 
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IsmailaGodHasHeard

IsmailaGodHasHeard

Well-Known Member
Shermana said:
The Origin of Sunday Worship

It appears the earliest Jewish sects (i.e. the original "Christians" who were counted as Jews by the Romans) did in fact still practice the Sabbath on Saturday, and this continued, with some Gentile observance as well, up until the 5th century until the State made it illegal through force. Nonetheless, even Sunday was considered a total rest day by Constantine. It appears that Rome and Alexandria were the only places to not do it, and since they were the power centers, its easy to imagine why.
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I will have to think about this.
 
herushura

herushura

Active Member
Roman Festivals

December
24 - Festival of Saturnalia ends SATURN'S DAY
25 - Dies Natalis Invicti Solis (Birthday of the Invincible Sun God) SUN'S DAY

That is the origin of those Days and why they are Ordered Saturday-Sunday.

On December 24th (SATURDAY) The Festival of Saturnalia ENDS, which means NO More Fooling Around, NO MORE harvesting. For there is no Need to Work

December 25th is the SUNS DAY, The Birthdeathday of the Sun,

3 MOONS(MONDAY) LATER on the IDES OF NISSAN, the SUN at Equilibrium, and has Fully Emerged from the Tomb -

The SUN IS AT WAR IN APRIL (TUESDAY),

The Earthly Foods have Grown and Ready to be Marketed around MAY (MERCURY DAY) -(Wednesday)

The SUN is MOST HIGH and is the KING OF KINGS HE IS JOVE of JUNE,
---THURSDAY

The Harvest Festival Arrives in August personified as VENUS
---FRIDAY

That is the Reason the Day Ordered the way they are, and that Sunday is a day of Rest, nothing to do with the Torah or Christianity

The Days are a Shorter Representation of the Year
 
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gdemoss

servant
IsmailaGodHasHeard said:
Please back up your position with Scripture from the Holy Bible. Thank you in advance.
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I don't know anything that comes from a source other than the Bible. God promised to keep his Word, not the word of so called historians or early christians etc.

There is biblical evidence that biblical christians came together on the first day of the week. Jesus appeared to the disciples on the first day of the week as they were gathered together. Paul stated that the Corinthian believers were to on the first day of the week lay up in store as God had prospered them. In Revelation John states that he was in the spirit on the lord's day. Pentecost was on the first day of the week and they were yet assembled together. Pauls sermon in Acts where the man fell out of the window was on the first day of the week when they came together to break bread.

As for the Sabbath it is to be observed everyday. The true Christian believer knows that his works before learning of Christ were completely selfserving and evil. Upon being born again and becomming a new creature in Christ, the believer takes part in the divine nature of selflessness. He picks up his cross and denies himself daily. He walks as Jesus walked while he was here. He has escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (human desire for self fulfillment). Is it lawful to do good or to do evil on the Sabbath? To heal or to kill? If we have a life of nothing but good works that are wrought in God then we observe the Sabbath everyday.

As for when we should gather together as a body, we need to discern the time. Adam and Eve were made then 1600 years or so later the world was so corrupt that God destroyed it. Then 2400 or so years after that Israel was so corrupt that they killed their own messiah. It has been 2000 years since the beginning of the church age. The church is corrupt. Heresy is everywhere. We are comming close to living in a time that is just like the days of Lot. Can you find 10 righteous in the city? By that I mean 10 people who daily walk the walk of Christ without sin in there lives. He that doeth righteousness is righteous even as he is righteous.

Seeing that we truely are near the end, I think Hebrews chapter 10 applies to our day. Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. We are to be calling and inviting each other to gather together more and more as the day is approaching.

Those things said, most people don't know what sin is. They search the bible looking for a verse to explain it and they find one that says that sin is the transgressing of the law. Another that says we are not under law but under grace. They then decide that since we have been saved by grace through faith and are not under the law then sin doesn't matter because all is forgiven. This is a false view. What they don't realize is that they are not under the Mosaic law but a much much tougher law. They are under the law of Christ. Everything that is not Christ is sin. Christ is the righteousness of God manifest in the flesh. This was done to take away the sin of the world. The cross was for the atonement and forgiveness of past sin. The life was manifest to destroy the works of the devil in a believers life through following the example laid down by Christ as his disciple.

So to sum it up. Enjoy your daily Sabbath rest from your evil works and do the works of God who has sent you into the world to make disciples of all nations, teaching them to observe what you were taught. And don't forget to gather together as much as possible with other true christians, if you can find any, and comfort one another as the comming of the Lord draws near.
 
Gjallarhorn

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
herushura said:
Roman Festivals

December
24 - Festival of Saturnalia ends SATURN'S DAY
25 - Dies Natalis Invicti Solis (Birthday of the Invincible Sun God) SUN'S DAY

That is the origin of those Days and why they are Ordered Saturday-Sunday.

On December 24th (SATURDAY) The Festival of Saturnalia ENDS, which means NO More Fooling Around, NO MORE harvesting. For there is no Need to Work

December 25th is the SUNS DAY, The Birthdeathday of the Sun,

3 MOONS(MONDAY) LATER on the IDES OF NISSAN, the SUN at Equilibrium, and has Fully Emerged from the Tomb -

The SUN IS AT WAR IN APRIL (TUESDAY),

The Earthly Foods have Grown and Ready to be Marketed around MAY (MERCURY DAY) -(Wednesday)

The SUN is MOST HIGH and is the KING OF KINGS HE IS JOVE of JUNE,
---THURSDAY

The Harvest Festival Arrives in August personified as VENUS
---FRIDAY

That is the Reason the Day Ordered the way they are, and that Sunday is a day of Rest, nothing to do with the Torah or Christianity

The Days are a Shorter Representation of the Year
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That may be an interesting correlation, but the order actually comes from the concept of planetary hours:
Planetary hours - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Week-day names - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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