Death,Why is it so Scary?

[Aupmanyav]

Well, I must admit I never heard of anyone referring to being resurrected as being a threat or threatened.
ALL the people who were blown up by bombs never had a burial, or dead people eaten by fish.
In other words, the old physical has nothing to do with being restored via resurrection.
To me, without a resurrection hope (restored back to life) there is absolutely No point to any religion.

Being condemned to eternal hell is definitely a threat.
Where is the proof that these people can be resurrected? Nothing physical means imagined, professed, claimed.
You have a claim for which you cannot provide any proof (other than your book).
To me, a claim without any proof is Snake-Oil Selling.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Apparently Wikipedia, so to speak, never read 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
As far as the 4th century goes, the so-called Church (Christendom) merely recognized that the 66 books of Bible canon were the authoritative 'Word' from God.
So, Bible canon was established early on the stage, so the 'church' merely testified to what was already there.
Thus, it is the ancient manuscripts that support Bible canon, and why the apocryphal books simply exclude themselves being out of harmony with the harmonious '66' Bible books.

I have not been shown any proof of existence of a God. Why would I believe in any so-claimed 'Word of God'?
What does what Timothy is supposed to have said matter to me?
The 'newer canon' and the 'older cannons' are just the same. Unscientific, claiming things without any proof.
Adam from mud, Eve from his ribs and a flood covering all earth to the height of XXX cubits.
Christians, Muslims and Bahais have just latched on to the older Jewish books.
We have RigVeda which is older than any other Abrahamic canon. It is demonstrably at least 5000 years old.
'RigVeda' clearly says that Gods arose later than the production of Earth, meaning that God is a human creation, human imagination.

"The Gods are later than this world's production. Who knows then whence it first came into being?"
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Who says the Bible has to have value in science, however I see nothing to contradict known science.
Science doesn't teach morals, morals come from Scripture.

Nothing unscientfic? What about Adam from mud, Ev from his ribs and flood covering the whole earth to the height of XXX cubits as I mentioned in my last post?
What can be more unscientific? It will make even school-going children laugh at the idea.
Morals do not come from God or any book. They are instituted by societies, and different societies have different ethics and morals.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Being condemned to eternal hell is definitely a threat......

I can agree being condemned to eternal hell is definitely a threat, a scare tactic too.
So, where does such a threat come from _____
Can't come from the Bible because biblical hell (grave)comes to a final end according to Revelation 20:13-14.
After everyone in biblical hell (grave) is ' delivered up ' ( meaning resurrected out of the grave (KJV hell ) then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell/grave.

When King James translated the word Gehenna into English as 'hell fire' that falsely put flames in the grave.
So, it is false 'weed/tares' clergy who teach the threat of forever fire and Not the Bible.
The Bible teaches the dead are sleeping, the dead are Not conscious:
- Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; John 11:11-14
Since we can't awaken anyone who has died, we need someone who can ' wake up ' the sleeping dead.
In Scripture Jesus can and will resurrect 'awaken ' the sleeping dead on Resurrection Day.
Resurrection Day meaning Jesus coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years.
Then, 'enemy death' will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
In other words, instead of 'eternal death' mankind can gain 'eternal life' as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.

 

[savagewind]

That is a very interesting question: "Is life scary"? For some people it is. Because -- they fear bad things will happen, and sometimes rightly so. Most likely that is why people wear seat belts. But as for the fear of death, that comes at a fairly early age, and it remains as far as I am concerned. However, it's good to know what the Bible says about death. Few people really want to die. I'm thinking that those unhappy individuals who commit suicide must realize they aren't going to suffer after they die. But! at www.jw.org, there are many articles about death, what it means, and that God is going to do away with death some day.

Nice. I suppose that in a way God has done away with death in that when you are dead it is as though you are not except for the people (hopefully, loved ones) who know that you are. I believe just like the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that death is nothingness without Jehovah so God has done away with death for the dead. Sometimes, I look forward to it so that I might not suffer too much in this life.

 

[YoursTrue]

Nice. I suppose that in a way God has done away with death in that when you are dead it is as though you are not except for the people (hopefully, loved ones) who know that you are. I believe just like the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that death is nothingness without Jehovah so God has done away with death for the dead. Sometimes, I look forward to it so that I might not suffer too much in this life.

I understand life is suffering. Some would deny that. There is, however, a hope, and it is that I appreciate.

 

[whosetosay...]

Ok, I just read your comment. Adam was not born like you and I, right? Neither was Eve. Perhaps we can start there.

You want to start with the fact God created man and Eve was created from a rib taken from Adam?

In truth we were all created by the power and will of God. Because he told man and woman to have children.
Born by the will of God.

 

[whosetosay...]

Who told you that there is any God or Allah? What is the evidence for this? Humans are the result of chemical interaction and evolution over a period of four billion years. Who told you that a God or Allah created man? I do not see much wisdom in that. It is contrary to what science haws found. I hope you have heard of Buddhism and Jainism. These religions do not accept existence of any God. Even Hinduism does not mind if someone is an atheist.

No evidence that evolution or chemical reactions over billions of years made humans. Do you not see that for that to be true new species would be forming even now. Truth is God did something after Man fell. He cursed the ground and no amount of chemical interaction would provide anything. No one told me there was a God and as for Allah Mahomet invented that name.

Are you claiming to know better than God about whom he chose and whom he didn't?

He says of the tribe of Benjamin.Deuteronomy 33:12 (KJV) And of Benjamin he said, The beloved of the LORD shall dwell in safety by him; and the LORD shall cover him all the day long, and he shall dwell between his shoulders.

When God spoke his words come to pass. Science has found nothing for only life begats human life.
That is a scientific fact you need living material the matter which comes from the living to begat life.
Seems like someone forgot to tell evolution and chemicals they have not worked in the past nor in the present and been able to prove anything about man made myths. Those who believe in the Torah know why they believe it. Because they seek truth not man made excuses which are so far a myth.

I have heard about all those religions but are they religions if they don't have a god? The wisdom in "God did it" is because it is not a chance thing...Life had a creator and it had to be an intelligent person. You see seeking what appeases man and his senses is not the same as seeking truth and knowing the God who did it.

 

[Aupmanyav]

After everyone in biblical hell (grave) is 'delivered up' (meaning resurrected out of the grave (KJV hell) then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic 'second death' for vacated hell/grave.

No proof of that, only assertion in Bible; and your belief and imagination, or your plan to get my nose cut like you have got done so that I can see the Emperor's supposed new clothes.

"noun: a positive statement or declaration, often without support or reason: a mere assertion; an unwarranted assertion."
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[Aupmanyav]

1. No evidence that evolution or chemical reactions over billions of years made humans. Do you not see that for that to be true new species would be forming even now.
2. Are you claiming to know better than God about whom he chose and whom he didn't?
3. That is a scientific fact you need living material the matter which comes from the living to begat life.
4. I have heard about all those religions but are they religions if they don't have a god?

1. If you read books of science, then you will find ample evidence. You wont find it in Bible. Yes, new species are developing all the time as the old ones go extinct. That is what happened to the Denisovans, Neanderthals and many other sub-human species.
2. I do not even accept the existence of God or Allah. What Bible (including the older Jewish books) says has no value for me.
3. There is no dividing line between living and non-living material. Examples are Viruses*. Just a strand of ribonucleic acid, that is how the journey of life started.
That is why pople suspect that Covid-19 was created in the Wuhan laboratory in China.
4. Is there no contraction in your sentence? You say you have heard of those religions, then proceed to dismiss them as religions, just because they do not accept existence of any God. That is your personal definition of religion.

* "An RNA virus is a virus that has RNA (ribonucleic acid) as its genetic material. This nucleic acid is usually single-stranded RNA (ssRNA) but may be double-stranded RNA (dsRNA). Notable human diseases caused by RNA viruses include the common cold, influenza, SARS, MERS, COVID-19, Dengue Virus, hepatitis C, hepatitis E, West Nile fever, Ebola virus disease, rabies, polio, mumps, and measles."
RNA virus - Wikipedia

 

[Yahcubs777]

Why is death so scary to many? Are you afraid of dying? Why or why not?

Death is called the last enemy. That enemy was not destroyed on the cross else death would no longer exist. And the book of Revelation makes it clear as it isn't until the second resurrection that hell and death are cast into the lake of fire.

Death is an unnatural phenomenon .And the proof is that we eat, and drink to sustain our life. If it was natural to die, then we wouldn't be trying to stall death. If i have a a fear of dying, if at all you can call it a fear, it is the fear of not running my race to the finish line. It is the fear of not proving that I love GOD, by transfiguring my physical body in life. The fear I have is of failure to immortalise my body in life without dying and waiting for resurrection.

 

[YoursTrue]

You want to start with the fact God created man and Eve was created from a rib taken from Adam?

In truth we were all created by the power and will of God. Because he told man and woman to have children.
Born by the will of God.

Not sure I understand all of your comment. But yes, I think it makes sense that Eve was created from a rib taken from Adam.

 

[YoursTrue]

Death is called the last enemy. That enemy was not destroyed on the cross else death would no longer exist. And the book of Revelation makes it clear as it isn't until the second resurrection that hell and death are cast into the lake of fire.

Death is an unnatural phenomenon .And the proof is that we eat, and drink to sustain our life. If it was natural to die, then we wouldn't be trying to stall death. If i have a a fear of dying, if at all you can call it a fear, it is the fear of not running my race to the finish line. It is the fear of not proving that I love GOD, by transfiguring my physical body in life. The fear I have is of failure to immortalise my body in life without dying and waiting for resurrection.

Yes, death is an unnatural phenomenon insofar as humans are concerned. As you allude to the Bible, it does say that death will be done away. I have learned to put my faith in God, as I read the Bible. What you say above just makes sense, that we wouldn't be going to doctors, trying to eat well, stay away from harmful substances if possible, if we did not care about death. Thanks for posting your comment. Yes, Revelation 21:1-5 makes some good comments.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

No proof of that, only assertion in Bible; and your belief and imagination, or your plan to get my nose cut like you have got done so that I can see the Emperor's supposed new clothes.
"noun: a positive statement or declaration, often without support or reason: a mere assertion; an unwarranted assertion."...................

Yes, Bible assertion or what we can really learn from the Bible.
What are Bible proofs over tradition, over customs outside of Scripture.
Imagination would be a teaching outside of the Bible being taught as being Scripture.
Jesus used logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures for the basis of his teachings.
Jesus used the support of the old Hebrew Scriptures as the basis for his teachings.
If Jesus would have taught otherwise that is what would have been an unwarranted assertion.
The Bible exists and Christian belief is found in the Bible.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You want to start with the fact God created man and Eve was created from a rib taken from Adam?
In truth we were all created by the power and will of God. Because he told man and woman to have children.
Born by the will of God.

I notice ^ above ^ you stress the word ' created ' and according to the Bible this is true.
However, there are details about Adam: Adam was 'fashioned' or 'formed' from the dust of the ground - Genesis 2:7
Eve, on the other hand, was 'formed or fashioned' from Adam's rib.
So, yes they were created by God, but God used what was already existing creation to 'form or fashion' Adam and Eve.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

1. If you read books of science, then you will find ample evidence. You wont find it in Bible. Yes, new species are developing all the time as the old ones go extinct. That is what happened to the Denisovans, Neanderthals and many other sub-human species..............................
3. There is no dividing line between living and non-living material. Examples are Viruses*. Just a strand of ribonucleic acid, that is how the journey of life started.
That is why people suspect that Covid-19 was created in the Wuhan laboratory in China....................................
* "An RNA virus is a virus that has RNA (ribonucleic acid) as its genetic material. This nucleic acid is usually single-stranded RNA (ssRNA) but may be double-stranded RNA (dsRNA). Notable human diseases caused by RNA viruses include the common cold, influenza, SARS, MERS, COVID-19, Dengue Virus, hepatitis C, hepatitis E, West Nile fever, Ebola virus disease, rabies, polio, mumps, and measles."................

In Scripture it says each reproduces according to its 'kind'.
So, whether something continues or goes extinct it is still within its 'kind'
( cats don't become dogs, etc )

We have polio vaccines, mumps, measles, etc. but No vaccine for colds and the flu.
If it were possible there would be one.
C-19 was Not created from non-existing material or substance but formed or fashioned from something existing.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Nothing unscientfic? What about Adam from mud, Ev from his ribs and flood covering the whole earth to the height of XXX cubits as I mentioned in my last post?
What can be more unscientific? It will make even school-going children laugh at the idea.
Morals do not come from God or any book. They are instituted by societies, and different societies have different ethics and morals.

... and according to Scripture ethics or morals ( stealing, murder, etc. ) most consider as wrong because, unless damaged, we all come equipped with a moral compass or conscience.
However, a person's conscience can become hardened to the point that it can become so calloused just like unfeeling flesh seared by a hot branding iron. - 1 Timothy 4:2; Romans 2:15
So, a person can violate or listen to their own conscience.
If a person wants they can walk in their own empty vanity of their own mind - Ephesians 4:17

Because societies do stipulate different ethics or morals is why the Bible is the source of what is 'acceptable' morality or acceptable ethics or values.
MAN's history shows how different standards do Not create harmony, but as Ecclesiastes 8:9 says that it is MAN who has dominated MAN to MAN's hurt, MAN's injury.

 

[We Never Know]

Why is death so scary to many? Are you afraid of dying? Why or why not?

Death shouldn't be scary. Its a natural occurrence. We start dying the day we are born(or even before).
Every day that passes brings us a day closer to our death. That day finds some sooner than others.
Now is death sad? Yeah its sad because we leave all the ones we love but yet we will live on in their memory.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yes, Bible assertion or what we can really learn from the Bible.

There is nothing to learn from Bible except superstition..

In Scripture it says each reproduces according to its 'kind'.
So, whether something continues or goes extinct it is still within its 'kind'
( cats don't become dogs, etc )

We have polio vaccines, mumps, measles, etc. but No vaccine for colds and the flu.
If it were possible there would be one.
C-19 was Not created from non-existing material or substance but formed or fashioned from something existing.

But sure, Loris tardigradus is our cousin.
Whether Covid-19 is from natural source or a laboratory product is debatable.

Because societies do stipulate different ethics or morals is why the Bible is the source of what is 'acceptable' morality or acceptable ethics or values.

No, Bible is not the source of morals for Hindus, and we are a billion strong.

Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?

The ethics and morals that society institutes comes from universal moral principles that apply to all people in all times and places.

That is what I have always been saying, but some of our Christian friends (URAVIP2ME) think differently and say 'morals are from Bible'. Now this is an ignorant assertion.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I understand life is suffering. Some would deny that. There is, however, a hope, and it is that I appreciate.

What value does a false hope have? Why not embrace truth?

In truth we were all created by the power and will of God. Because he told man and woman to have children. Born by the will of God.

First prove the existence of any God.