Deaths in the Bible

[pandamonk]

Hi, does anyone know how many deaths are in the bible, both by God, and under God's command? I've read that by God is around 300,000(not icluding the great flood, which is unknown), and under God's command is around 1 million, but this is only after a quick Google search. So, does anyone have some in-depth knowledge about the "true" figure? Also, why is the Devil considered so evil after only 7 deaths throughtout the Bible, which were actually because of God? I read this after a quick Google search too, and some said that it isn't about the deaths in the Bible, because the Devil has caused millions of deaths outwith the bible. "Look at WW2, Hitler was possed by the Devil."(or words to this effect) What a joke!

 

[Ryan2065]

"Look at WW2, Hitler was possed by the Devil."

How do we know Hitler wasn't following God's command and the Devil just won that war? =)

 

[Scott1]

Hi, does anyone know how many deaths are in the bible, both by God, and under God's command?

After quite a bit of research, I've come up with an answer:

A whole bunch.

Hope that helps on your search for "evil".

 

[pandamonk]

How do we know Hitler wasn't following God's command and the Devil just won that war? =)

Exactly. He was Catholic.

 

[pandamonk]

After quite a bit of research, I've come up with an answer:

A whole bunch.

Hope that helps on your search for "evil".

Cheers bud! Whole lot of time you saved me there. And about the "evil", would you not consider mass genocide evil?

 

[joeboonda]

For a humanist/naturalist which I assume is atheist, why do you care? And if you believe the Bible history, which you don't, were you there? And is your wisdom so far above the God you don't believe in's wisdom? We do not know the mind of God, he is love and being love he must be just. You only write this to try to make your 'religion' valid in your own eyes, and the Bible to be invalid. Truth is, the wisdom of God is foolishness to man and cannot be understood by him, we should not presume to know more than he, we weren't there, nor are we God. I do know I'd rather Him be on my side than against me, lol! PEACE!

 

[pandamonk]

For a humanist/naturalist which I assume is atheist, why do you care? And if you believe the Bible history, which you don't, were you there?

I care because religion does so much to hurt and annoy me that I want to know enough to defend myself when it does. Also the main aim of Humanism is to find the truth, without blindly accepting unsupported beliefs. I was not there no. And if you believe the Bible history, which you do, were you there?

And is your wisdom so far above the God you don't believe in's wisdom? We do not know the mind of God, he is love and being love he must be just.

So are you saying we should condone, or even join in on the murderous distruction that is your god? Also, who told you God's wisdom and love(among other things)are so great? Ohh yeh, that was God. Why do you believe him(if he exists)?

You only write this to try to make your 'religion' valid in your own eyes, and the Bible to be invalid. Truth is, the wisdom of God is foolishness to man and cannot be understood by him, we should not presume to know more than he, we weren't there, nor are we God. I do know I'd rather Him be on my side than against me, lol! PEACE!

So are you like a bullies friend, you stand and the side and even though you don't like what he does to hurt others, if you get into trouble he'll protect you...you hope!
And by the way, you never gave me answers to my questions.

P.S. Secular Humanism, and naturalism are not religions, they are philosophies

 

[joeboonda]

Well, I was not there, I do not have the time or space to say why I believe in the God of the Bible, I don't see God as a bully, and I hate religion. God also died for us out of his great love for us, death is a fact, hard to understand, hard to explain, I just tell you what I believe, I won't attack your philosophies, I just tell you what I believe and that is that i believe Jesus loves you and me and died for our sins so we can go to heaven, I believe religion is man's attempt to earn his way to heaven or to please God somhow so he might let him in, but I believe Christianity is a relationship with Jesus because he has paid our way to heaven on the cross, that's all. Peace.

 

[pandamonk]

That's great to know . Would you kindly stop dancing around the topic of this thread and answer it, or leave it alone:149:

 

[Scott1]

Cheers bud! Whole lot of time you saved me there.

You are welcome.

And about the "evil", would you not consider mass genocide evil?

Yep... sure do.

 

[john313]

Hi, does anyone know how many deaths are in the bible, both by God, and under God's command? I've read that by God is around 300,000(not icluding the great flood, which is unknown), and under God's command is around 1 million, but this is only after a quick Google search. So, does anyone have some in-depth knowledge about the "true" figure? Also, why is the Devil considered so evil after only 7 deaths throughtout the Bible, which were actually because of God? I read this after a quick Google search too, and some said that it isn't about the deaths in the Bible, because the Devil has caused millions of deaths outwith the bible. "Look at WW2, Hitler was possed by the Devil."(or words to this effect) What a joke!

so are you assuming it was evil to end the earthly lives of these people? in terms of heaven/hell as many people perceive, it may have been better to end their lives prematurely than to allow them to damage their souls with more evil deeds and God knew they would not change their wicked ways. i do not know that this is the case, but i try to follow "judge not, lest ye be judged". there is no way i would even begin to judge the acts of God as evil.
here is a cool story about musa and al-khidr for those with eyes. http://ccminc.faithweb.com/iqra/articles/9212musa.html
remember that death is not the end, it is more of a beginning.
"what is day for other beings is night for the sage who sees" - bhagavad gita 2:69

wa salaam

 

[joeboonda]

That's great to know . Would you kindly stop dancing around the topic of this thread and answer it, or leave it alone:149:

I thought Scott1 answered the question already, he said God killed a bunch of folks in the Bible, who wants to try to count them all? God does what he does, if he felt mankind was so wicked he regretted creating him, and wiped out all but Noah and his family in the Great Flood, I cannot say shame on him, I was not there to see how wicked they had become, I do know he promised not to destroy the world, by water anyway again. I know he is not willing for any man to perish but for all to come to the truth. What of innocent people that may have been killed, I think Jesus answered that in his speech on the tower of Siloam, saying these were not the most wicked people. I believe in the afterlife, and that God is a fair and right judge and will judge us fairly. Thing is, we are all sinners, and he provided the covering for our sin, the shed blood of his Son, Jesus Christ. We can either accept the free gift, or reject it. If we accept it our sins are covered in Christ's righteousness, if not, we have only our own righteousness, and the Bible says ours is as filthy rags. So accept Jesus' payment for our sins, or pay for them ourselves in Hell. That is what I believe, because that is what God's Word says. You don't have to believe it or argue it, that is all your choice, I just telling you what I believe to be the truth. Peace.

 

[michel]

Exactly. He was Catholic.

Hitler Catholic ?

 

[may]

Hi, does anyone know how many deaths are in the bible, both by God, and under God's command? I've read that by God is around 300,000(not icluding the great flood, which is unknown), and under God's command is around 1 million, but this is only after a quick Google search. So, does anyone have some in-depth knowledge about the "true" figure? Also, why is the Devil considered so evil after only 7 deaths throughtout the Bible, which were actually because of God? I read this after a quick Google search too, and some said that it isn't about the deaths in the Bible, because the Devil has caused millions of deaths outwith the bible. "Look at WW2, Hitler was possed by the Devil."(or words to this effect) What a joke!

Satan was the one who started death in the first place , eve was decieved by satan ,he said she would not die if she broke Gods rules , what a lier he was , because every man now dies,because of satans first lie .
That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned ...romans 5;12 so then satan started death off by saying that they would not die ,so he has murdered the most

 

[pandamonk]

You are welcome.
Yep... sure do.

I'm glad you do

 

[pandamonk]

Hitler Catholic ?

You not know that?

 

[pandamonk]

Satan was the one who started death in the first place , eve was decieved by satan ,he said she would not die if she broke Gods rules , what a lier he was , because every man now dies,because of satans first lie .
That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned ...romans 5;12 so then satan started death off by saying that they would not die ,so he has murdered the most

Satan did not start death, God did. He is the first to mention death and therefore he created it."[font=Arial, Helvetica]thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.[/font]"Genesis [font=Arial, Helvetica]2:17. God would have known they would eat of it, and if he didn't he would have seen the devil tempt them, and could easily have stopped it. God wanted blind faith by not giving them knowledge of good and evil, and satan "decieved" them and gave them the knowledge, so they can make up their own minds and hav free will. God is the one who threatened and carried out his threats, so he is the one who caused all death. If Satan had not given them the knowledge then the world would be grossly over-populated and things would not be good. Also we would not be able to reach Heaven, if it exists.
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[pandamonk]

I thought Scott1 answered the question already, he said God killed a bunch of folks in the Bible, who wants to try to count them all? God does what he does, if he felt mankind was so wicked he regretted creating him, and wiped out all but Noah and his family in the Great Flood, I cannot say shame on him, I was not there to see how wicked they had become, I do know he promised not to destroy the world, by water anyway again. I know he is not willing for any man to perish but for all to come to the truth. What of innocent people that may have been killed, I think Jesus answered that in his speech on the tower of Siloam, saying these were not the most wicked people. I believe in the afterlife, and that God is a fair and right judge and will judge us fairly. Thing is, we are all sinners, and he provided the covering for our sin, the shed blood of his Son, Jesus Christ. We can either accept the free gift, or reject it. If we accept it our sins are covered in Christ's righteousness, if not, we have only our own righteousness, and the Bible says ours is as filthy rags. So accept Jesus' payment for our sins, or pay for them ourselves in Hell. That is what I believe, because that is what God's Word says. You don't have to believe it or argue it, that is all your choice, I just telling you what I believe to be the truth. Peace.

How can a perfect being regret what they have done, if they were perfect then nothing they did could go wrong.

 

[Scott1]

Hitler Catholic ?

.... and crazy.:bonk:

A good article on his "faith" :http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/12/far04041.html

 

[greatcalgarian]

.... and crazy.:bonk:

A good article on his "faith" :http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/12/far04041.html

Absolutely correct. One can be Catholic, and be Muslim, can claim to be religious, but not necessarily is considered to be TRUE Catholic, TRUE Muslim, or TRUE religious. If you are religious, it is only between you and your religious belief that will decide whether you are true or not. All outsider views are just judgemental.

Hilter practice Catholic or speak with Catholic conviction. As far as I, as an outsider, he is considered a Catholic. Whether the Pope of Rome consider him a catholic (whether he has been ex-communicated) I do not know.