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Deciding what is God inspired

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Unveiled Artist

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God inspired the authors of the Bible. The Bible was written by "their" inspiration they recieved from their God. Years later, the Church decided which Books were God inspired and which were not. We have gone by these Books for centuries.

Who has the authority to decide (in both the Torah and the Christian Bible) what books are inspired by God? Not through a second party--not by Moses or John, but by God Himself.

I would assume God's words would be white letters against a white background with the authors trying to decipher whats written and writing their own experiences to plug in missing pieces.

We cant interpret Gods words because they are written through the Holy Spirit...the Great I AM.

Who has the write to use "words" in the place of God?
 
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lunamoth

lunamoth

Will to love
The Bible is a book about the community's experience of God. However, since the days the Bible was first written down (all the various times it was written and re-written I should say) we have fractured into many different communities with different values and needs.

Thus, your authority rests with whomever or whichever community you have given your trust and heart to.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
Which authors? All?
Which Bibles? All>
And you believe this based on what?
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All..Torah and Christian Bible. I dont know the Quran; so, I cant use that.

EDIT

If you believe the Torah is God inspired, I am basing my statement on that belief.

In general, who has the right to choose what is God inspired?

Authors (all) were inspired by God. They used their own words and cultural outlook to express how God work through them and His people. Today, we say these words come from God Himself. When the books were chosen, who has the right to put God's Words on paper? Who has the rights to God's "w"ords?
 
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Unveiled Artist

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lunamoth said:
The Bible is a book about the community's experience of God. However, since the days the Bible was first written down (all the various times it was written and re-written I should say) we have fractured into many different communities with different values and needs.

Thus, your authority rests with whomever or whichever community you have given your trust and heart to.
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That would mean their Holy scriptures are not from God?
 
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Awoon

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Carlita said:
All..Torah and Christian Bible. I dont know the Quran; so, I cant use that.

EDIT

If you believe the Torah is God inspired, I am basing my statement on that belief.

In general, who has the right to choose what is God inspired?

Authors (all) were inspired by God. They used their own words and cultural outlook to express how God work through them and His people. Today, we say these words come from God Himself. When the books were chosen, who has the right to put God's Words on paper? Who has the rights to God's "w"ords?
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Whoever YOU authorize.
 
lunamoth

lunamoth

Will to love
Carlita said:
All..Torah and Christian Bible. I dont know the Quran; so, I cant use that.

EDIT

If you believe the Torah is God inspired, I am basing my statement on that belief.

In general, who has the right to choose what is God inspired?

Authors (all) were inspired by God. They used their own words and cultural outlook to express how God works through them and His people. Today, we say these words come from God Himself. When the books were chosen, who has the right to put God's Words on paper? Who has the rights to God's "w"ords?
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Well, right. That is pretty much what happened in Deuteronomy. All is in confusion, but suddenly books are discovered that reveal God's word in written language. It is a turning point - what was once tradition and oral is now the written word of God. It is also the beginning of law - cold and hard and fact. But in reality, law is the expression of love in community, the closest we can get. It is not perfect and it is not wholly God, but the dance between perfect God and imperfect humans, doing the best that we can.

And I need to acknowledge how lacking my own statements are, because Judaism also includes the whole of the oral law (apologies for for not remembering the name of this), the interpretation of the law. We are humans, fallible and falling short of perfection. The interpretation of the law acknowledges this, and is the human and humane application of what is perfect to what we can achieve. And it can change, according to what we have grown into. No wonder people want to convert to Judaism, which accepts our evolution of understanding.
 
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Tumah

Tumah

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The Books that are included in the Jewish cannon are those that were written through prophecy, not just Divine inspiration and had relevance to later generation of Jews. Once prophecy ended with Malachi, no other books could be added to the Jewish cannon.
 
Kolibri

Kolibri

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Carlita said:
You missed the point. I have no right to choose what is God inspired. Who has that right?
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As far as the Hebrew-Aramaic Text is concerned it was the Jewish nation that had the right.

"What, then, is the advantage of the Jew, or what is the benefit of circumcision? A great deal in every way. First of all, that they were entrusted with the sacred pronouncements of God."
- Romans 3:1,2

He declares his word to Jacob,
His regulations and judgements to Israel.
He has not done so with any other nation;
They know nothing about his judgments.
Praise Jah! (or "Hallelujah!")
- Psalm 147:19,20

Jesus' words at Matthew 23:35 and Luke 11:50,51 adds weight to the traditional Hebrew canon as being authentic. Instead of saying 'from Abel to Urijah' being martyred (which would be true timewise), he lists 'from Abel to Zechariah'. Zechariah's martyerdom is found at 2 Chronicles 24:20,21 which is near the end of the traditional canon. This would be like someone saying from Genesis to Revelation in our English Bibles.

As regards the Christian Greek Scriptures, one of the the early gifts of the spirit was "discernment of inspired expressions." The apostles and some of their contemporaries would have been in the position to recognize what was to be considered canonical and what was not to be included. When the apostle John died, there was no longer anyone we could rely upon to make that call - and John's Gospel, 3 letters and Revelation were the last to be written timewise that were included. Certainly by the end of the second century there was no longer any question but that the canon was closed. Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, and Tertullian all recognized the writings as being of equal weight as that of the Hebrew Scriptures. Irenaeus makes no fewer than 200 quotes from Paul's letters when he appealed to the Scriptures.
 
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arthra

arthra

Baha'i
In terms of inspiration in my view it depends on how direct the Writing is to the Prophet or Messenger of God..

(1) .If we have a document that was checked for accuracy by the Prophet Himself that would be a direct source.

(2) Other sources...such as verbal testimony passed down over say centuries of time that would be less authoritative.

(3) Least authoritative would be something written in the name of someone who was supposedly there but whose name was clearly used to try to gain credibility.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
Are you unwilling to answer my question, unable to answer my question, or both?
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What is gour point? I dont follow Judaism nor christianity, so I cannot give you an answer from my belief that their is evidence the books are inspired. I will not disrespect anyone's sacred text to proove it is not inspired.

What I can do is asked who has the authority in both Judaism and Christianity to make their text, Torah and Bible inspires by God?

Do you see the Torah (going by your faith) as inspired by God? If so, who gave the authority to know which books to include in the Torah?

Jews take the letter O out of God. God's Words have no language but that of the heart. (Hence oral tradition)
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
Answer the question or not, @Carlita
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Be respectful. I answered your question.

I dont follow Judaism nor christianity, so I cannot give you an answer from my belief that their is evidence the books are inspired. I will not disrespect anyone's sacred text to proove it is not inspired.

If you dont know if your faith's scripture is sacred, how can you answer My question?
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I dont follow Judaism nor christianity, so I cannot give you an answer from my belief that their is evidence the books are inspired. I will not disrespect anyone's sacred text to proove it is not inspired.

What are you trying to engage me with? If you dont know, dont answer the question and leave it.

Jayhawker Soule said:
No, in fact you did not.

So, do you agree with @Carlita that "All..Torah and Christian Bible" are God inspired, that she has offered evidence for this claim, or both?

Or are you simply engaging in ad hominem?
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