Definition of communism/socialism/Marxism, etc. and the misusage of such terms.

[Father Heathen]

It's not unusual to see these labels misapplied to things, especially as an attempt to discredit something. An example (which are almost always nonsensical):

Even proponents of these ideologies will apparently misapply these terms.

Discuss.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You just want advocacy for your definitions hence your just fishing.

Like anything, political systems evolve with time and just because it meant one thing it can change with advances in time to fit a modern world like all definitive terms do.

Either way, it's still all about power and control over people and their habits and activities.

China is a prime active example of socialist and communist rule in the modern era and what it stands for by very definition of its nature.

 

[Father Heathen]

You just want advocacy for your definitions hence your just fishing.

Like anything, political systems evolve with time and just because it meant one thing it can change with advances in time to fit a modern world like all definitive terms do.

Either way, it's still all about power and control over people and their habits and activities.

China is a prime active example of socialist and communist rule in the modern era and what it stands for by very definition of its nature.

So then communism/socialism/Marxism = things conservatives don't like or understand? What are your views on "race mixing"?

Also, @Revoltingest requested that I address socialists who also misapply terminology, hence this thread.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So then communism/socialism/Marxism = things conservatives don't like or understand? What are your views on "race mixing"?

Also, @Revoltingest requested that I address socialists who also misapply terminology, hence this thread.

I have no problems with race mixing.

I also have no problem with people, white or black, who just want to be with their own race as well.

I do have problems with people who think their race ideology is superior to others and that includes mixed race situations that follow those same lines of thought.

 

[Father Heathen]

I have no problems with race mixing.

I also have no problem with people, white or black, who just want to be with their own race as well.

I do have problems with people who think their race ideology is superior to others.

So would you agree that those holding the signs in OP pic are incorrect?

 

[Twilight Hue]

So would you agree that those holding the signs in OP pic are incorrect?

Of course. Simply because others do not agree or share the same ideology. That group is not superior to others, but I'm not against them assembling and sharing their views and opinions either.

 

[Father Heathen]

Of course. Simply because others do not agree or share the same ideology. That group is not superior to others, but I'm not against them assembling and sharing their views and opinions either.

So why is their use of "communism" incorrect but yours isn't? Both ignore the academic definition.

 

[Estro Felino]

They are 3 different things.
I will be very concise.

Marxism is Marx's ideology which has been misused and often misquoted. He wrote his ideas in the Manifest of the Communist Party.

Many German politicians tried to cherry-pick Marx's works. They founded German Communism.
This German Communism will influence Russian Bolshevism, 20th century. It is based upon authoritarian suppression of private ownership.



Socialism was created in France, Germany and Italy. In the 19th century.
Sozialistische Partei Deutschlands and Partito Socialista Italiano were for the socialization of labor. That is, labor is to be defended by the State who will side with the workers and not with the Capitalists. Even the Pope in his Rerum Novarum applauded this ideology.
Socialism defends private ownership, and in fact it wants workers to own their property.

So Socialism is light years away from Communism.
Russian Bolshevism is very anti-Christian.
And in fact they persecuted Christians in Russia.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So why is their use of "communism" incorrect but yours isn't? Both ignore the academic definition.

I view China as the modern day Communist example. Right from the Communists themselves.

 

[Father Heathen]

I view China as the modern day Communist example. Right from the Communists themselves.

So szechwan cuisine = communism?

 

[icehorse]

You just want advocacy for your definitions hence your just fishing.

Like anything, political systems evolve with time and just because it meant one thing it can change with advances in time to fit a modern world like all definitive terms do.

Either way, it's still all about power and control over people and their habits and activities.

China is a prime active example of socialist and communist rule in the modern era and what it stands for by very definition of its nature.

Definitions matter. Full stop.

Once we agree to definitions, then we can apply them to real world situations. But that ought to be a two step process.

But trying to agree on definitions isn't "fishing".

 

[Kooky]

Many German politicians tried to cherry-pick Marx's works. They founded German Communism.
This German Communism will influence Russian Bolshevism, 20th century. It is based upon authoritarian suppression of private ownership.

I have never heard or read the term "German Communism" as a technical term, could you please be more specific as to what you mean by it? Who were the proponents of "German Communism", and where do you get that name from?

Socialism defends private ownership, and in fact it wants workers to own their property.

That is literally the opposite of what socialism means.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So would you agree that those holding the signs in OP pic are incorrect?

It's only incorrect if you are not of that group.

I don't think anyone's correct nor incorrect actually. There's always going to be pros and cons.

 

[Kooky]

Quid pro quo.
You tell me where you are from.
And I will answer your questions...ok?

Europe.

 

[Kooky]

@Estro Felino
I've supplied the information you asked for, now it's your turn.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's only incorrect if you are not of that group.

I don't think anyone's correct nor incorrect actually. There's always going to be pros and cons.

So you're saying that race mixing can be communism depending on the circumstance?

 

[Father Heathen]

I have never heard or read the term "German Communism" as a technical term, could you please be more specific as to what you mean by it? Who were the proponents of "German Communism", and where do you get that name from?


That is literally the opposite of what socialism means.

Probably code for National Socialist Party in an attempt to shoehorn them in.

 

[Kooky]

Probably code for National Socialist Party in an attempt to shoehorn them in.

If that is the case, then her timeline is all wrong, since the Bolshevik-Menshevik split in the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party predates the founding of the NSDAP by 17 years.

 

[Kooky]

So you're saying that race mixing can be communism depending on the circumstance?

You mean, like in the circumstance of communists engaging in interracial relationships?

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not unusual to see these labels misapplied to things, especially as an attempt to discredit something. An example (which are almost always nonsensical):

Even proponents of these ideologies will apparently misapply these terms.

Discuss.

How does protesting against race
mixing relate to economic terms?