Degradation of Porn

[Revoltingest]

If one has printed porn, it will be printed on high acid content paper.
To prevent degradation, it could be buffered. But is the cost justified?
Only for valuable historically significant collector porn.

 

[InChrist]

More hearsay and conjecture.

And here's some more:

People who share opinions like yours are often just prudes who don't particularly like sex themselves or have a very difficult relationship with their own sexuality.

That is truly an ignorant thing to say since you do not know me personally at all or anything about my sex life. Many who share opinions do so because they care about the abuse and the damage the porn industry causes to real human beings. Many of those same people who oppose the degrading world of porn likely have perfectly fine sex lives, enjoying sex with real people they care about, rather than getting turned on by watching performers put on a fake sex scene....which is really perverse and dehumanizing.
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[InChrist]

The OP chose a bunch of articles and reviews about human-trafficking, and because some victims are forced in to sex-trade and porn she wants to end porn.

Where I live many victims have been forced to work in agriculture in 'picking harvests' that technology cannot yet handle. But she doesn't want to end all agriculture.

We also have a problem here with human-trafficking victims being forced in to car-wash teams where they slave for many hours for below subsistence rewards. Does @InChrist want to end car-washing?

It begins to look like cherry-picked hypocrisy.

I am not cherry-picking. All areas which exploit human beings or are connected with trafficking should be addressed. Personally, I see plenty of problems with modern corporate agriculture. While I certainly don't think agriculture should be ended, changes would be worthwhile. Nevertheless, agriculture and car-washing do not dehumanize people as mere objects to be used solely for another person's perverse sexual pleasure, as pornography does.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

A tacky music video does not prove women love porn. Most women in the porn industry are trapped there out of financial desperation and they are being exploited.

Which is different to every other worker in every other industry how, exactly?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

That is truly an ignorant thing to say since you do not know me personally at all or anything about my sex life. Many who share opinions do so because they care about the abuse and the damage the porn industry causes to real human beings. Many of those same people who oppose the degrading world of porn likely have perfectly fine sex lives, enjoying sex with real people they care about, rather than getting turned on by watching performers put on a fake sex scene....which is really perverse and dehumanizing.
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If you don't like it, you don't have to watch it. The fact other people enjoy it isn't really your problem.

 

[InChrist]

This is true of people in many industries. Why are you focusing on the plight of porn stars as opposed to, say, Amazon warehouse workers or sweat shop labourers?

Any industry where people are being exploited or treated unfairly I think needs to be addressed and changed. I am just focused on the porn industry now because I am connected to a local organization which deals with human trafficking and it really grieves me how trafficking is exploding in this country and around the world. From my research there is a link between porn and sex trafficking. Porn increases demand.

 

[oldbadger]

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............. agriculture and car-washing do not dehumanize people as mere objects to be used solely for another person's perverse sexual pleasure, as pornography does.

Making a person work for many hours in physically severe conditions looks like a more serious situation to me than featuring actors and models in pornography.

Many pornography actors and models want to work in this media industry. They are not slaves.

One of our most famous celebrities and TV stars here (UK) is Katy Price, who was once featured as the busty topless model 'Jordan'. She chose her naked modelling career very carefully, you know.

I cannot accept self-righteous judgement about pornography from (Christian?) people who still believe in slavery and would re-introduce it if they could get the chance.

Your OP is busted, methinks.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Any industry where people are being exploited or treated unfairly I think needs to be addressed and changed. I am just focused on the porn industry now because I am connected to a local organization which deals with human trafficking and it really grieves me how trafficking is exploding in this country and around the world. From my research there is a link between porn and sex trafficking. Porn increases demand.

It's my understanding that porn has become almost entirely a cottage industry, produced by solo artists who very much choose to do the work. Frankly, I feel the average porn worker is less exploited than the average fast food worker

 

[InChrist]

If you don't like it, you don't have to watch it. The fact other people enjoy it isn't really your problem.

I know I don't have to watch it. I don't. The problem is that those who do watch it could very well be watching someone who was trafficked and is a sex slave trapped in the industry, therefore supporting and increasing the for human trafficking.

"What then, does this mean?

• It means that pornography is not only perpetuating human trafficking, but it is incentivizing the use of children in pornography and human traffic in order to draw in a larger profit. It is literally destroying the lives of children and adults.
• It means that there is a clearly definable link between pornography and human trafficking. Through viewing pornography, individuals are tempted to hire sex workers in order to fulfill the unrealistic scenes created in pornographic films.
• It means that because of the high profitability of releasing pornographic material, many victims will be forced to create pornographic films and images that will be released to the populace (US!) for profit. This is not people who are wanting to create adult content, but young men, women, and children who are being forced to participate or potentially lose their lives.

There is absolutely a link between pornography and sex trafficking. We need to take this seriously and take responsibility for our part in sex trafficking if we are viewing pornography. "
https://everaccountable.com/blog/the-link-between-pornography-and-human-trafficking/

 

[oldbadger]

I am not cherry-picking. All areas which exploit human beings or are connected with trafficking should be addressed. ............

Of course you are cherry-picking.
You are not interested in the whole scene of slave trafficking and labour for subsistence, it seems that you are on some self-righteous campaign.

Let's face it, in a Christian Theocracy LGBTQ folks would be in real danger of execution, and porn stars would stand no chance, and yet you (as Christians) accept other forms of slavery.

Hypocrisy much?

 

[InChrist]

Of course you are cherry-picking.
You are not interested in the whole scene of slave trafficking and labour for subsistence, it seems that you are on some self-righteous campaign.

Let's face it, in a Christian Theocracy LGBTQ folks would be in real danger of execution, and porn stars would stand no chance, and yet you (as Christians) accept other forms of slavery.

Hypocrisy much?

Wrong, For one thing a "Christian Theocracy" is unbiblical. For another, slavery and murder are outside of God's will.

 

[oldbadger]

I know I don't have to watch it. I don't. The problem is that those who do watch it could very well be watching someone who was trafficked and is a sex slave trapped in the industry, therefore supporting and increasing the for human trafficking.

"What then, does this mean?

• It means that pornography is not only perpetuating human trafficking, but it is incentivizing the use of children in pornography and human traffic in order to draw in a larger profit. It is literally destroying the lives of children and adults.
• It means that there is a clearly definable link between pornography and human trafficking. Through viewing pornography, individuals are tempted to hire sex workers in order to fulfill the unrealistic scenes created in pornographic films.
• It means that because of the high profitability of releasing pornographic material, many victims will be forced to create pornographic films and images that will be released to the populace (US!) for profit. This is not people who are wanting to create adult content, but young men, women, and children who are being forced to participate or potentially lose their lives.

There is absolutely a link between pornography and sex trafficking. We need to take this seriously and take responsibility for our part in sex trafficking if we are viewing pornography. "
https://everaccountable.com/blog/the-link-between-pornography-and-human-trafficking/

The above article repeats the word 'slavery' many times.

Right. !!
In order to launch your crusade against slavery, please would you tell us all right here and now that Saint Paul's (and other apostles?) advice to slaves is wicked and wrong?
Could you do that? Just think of all those child slaves; that might help you to refute this stuff? Here are just some of the passages for you to dismiss as unChristian:-


Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. (1 Peter 2:18)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear (Ephesians 6:5)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything (Colossians 3:22)

Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them (Titus 2:9)

Let all who are under a yoke as bondservants[a] regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled. 2 Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the ground that they are brothers; rather they must serve all the better since those who benefit by their good service are believers and beloved. (1 Timothy 6:1-2)

 

[oldbadger]

Wrong, For one thing a "Christian Theocracy" is unbiblical. For another, slavery and murder are outside of God's will.

Unbiblical? !!
There are over 1000 rules and laws in a Christian Theocracy, and the death penalty is included for various crimes.

A poll on another (Christian) forum found that a high % of Christian members would support the death penalty for LGBTQ people!

A Christian controlled country would be a Theocracy! Rule by biblical laws!

 

[oldbadger]

...............slavery and murder are outside of God's will.

You haven't read all of your bible.
A few NT passages are listed above for you to write your disgust about.

Over to you to launch your campaign for real.

 

[Rival]

If one has printed porn, it will be printed on high acid content paper.
To prevent degradation, it could be buffered. But is the cost justified?
Only for valuable historically significant collector porn.

This is why I need to copy all mine to a digital format before it's too late.

 

[SomeRandom]

Like, what you're saying makes sense, except that I think it's easy to underestimate how much deep watching and producing porn gets into a person's mental programming! Especially a teenager's.

Sure, more education about sex is needed, and sure the fact that people watch porn is a symptom of issues of misogyny and gender binarist thinking and so on, but it is also a massive reinforcer of biases, misconceptions and faulty expectations inandofitself.

Many species of infective bacteria produce a sludge around themselves which protects them from the defensive systems of their host. It's all very well to say 'The sludge is harmless, it's the bacteria we need to get rid of!' when actually the sludge, notwithstanding it's being a consequence of bacterial infection which might well be harmless if it was just floating around your body alone, is one of the key means by which the pathogens keep themselves lodged in the body.

Here bacteria are the underlying attitudes, the sludge is porn, and the body is, I guess, society

Well there is porn that doesn’t actually portray women as weak or objects, believe it or not. Not all porn is sexist or racist or whatever ist you can think of. Because like all supply and demand, there are people who make the porn they want to see. Sometimes that means what my health teacher dubbed “vegan porn.” Lol

Porn services a need, a need that is intrinsic in people and has existed as long as our species has existed. Porn itself has existed for far longer than modern day. Prostitution is the world’s oldest profession and all that.

We can’t ban sport because of the symptoms that flow onto the rest of society that it largely elicits. Alcohol induced violence, unhealthy drinking culture and enabling gambling addiction.
We can’t ban McDonald’s because of obesity. We can’t ban sugar because it’s addictive and can cause diabetes.
We can’t ban I dunno, Rock n Roll due to crazy concerts that have literally killed people.
Because people will revolt.

People have outlets, some people take things too far. But pushing a vice underground serves no beneficial purpose and I’d argue is far more detrimental. Because if it’s underground, how do you change it for the better? Say we make porn illegal, for argument’s sake. It will still exist, just illegally. Because the demand will always be there. So if we manage to make it illegal how then do you ensure that sex workers are protected under fair work laws? How do you eliminate the criminal element in something (sex trafficking) when you literally make the enterprise ostensibly surrounding it criminal? And how do you help addicts too afraid to ask for help because they don’t want to be seen as a criminal?


Your concern is that porn gives unrealistic expectations. Fine, a fair assessment. Instead of wagging our fingers at the industry, campaign for change within it. Incentivise the industry to protect workers, to ensure everyone is a consenting adult under their own volition, that everyone is screened for STDs constantly and portrayals are more healthy. (Of course there are very dark sexual fantasies. So pretending they don’t exist wont work either. But a balance is not a bad idea.)

 

[InChrist]

The above article repeats the word 'slavery' many times.

Right. !!
In order to launch your crusade against slavery, please would you tell us all right here and now that Saint Paul's (and other apostles?) advice to slaves is wicked and wrong?
Could you do that? Just think of all those child slaves; that might help you to refute this stuff? Here are just some of the passages for you to dismiss as unChristian:-


Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. (1 Peter 2:18)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear (Ephesians 6:5)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything (Colossians 3:22)

Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them (Titus 2:9)

Let all who are under a yoke as bondservants[a] regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled. 2 Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the ground that they are brothers; rather they must serve all the better since those who benefit by their good service are believers and beloved. (1 Timothy 6:1-2)

In the case of the verses you listed it was the ROMAN GOVERNMENT which had the practice of slavery going on during that time. Slavery is and always has been a practice instituted by humans and human governments, not God, not the Bible. Paul was simply instructing believers how to behave and the attitude to have in the midst of the circumstances in which they had to live uinder. The point of the gospel is to change human hearts and minds and save them for eternity, not overthrow entire governments or systems in place. Nevertheless, Christians whose lives have been transformed have led the way in the battle against slavery because ultimately the gospel is about true freedom and respect for each person created in the image of God.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Studies have shown the additive nature of pornography. It is especially degrading to women, but I would say it degrades men, too.

What Happened When We Went to a Porn Convention - Exodus Cry

Making one final comment on this issue. It is my belief that women compete with one another because of the Anthropological need to procreate. We want a good mate. Most women know what it feels like to be put in uncomfortable situations and the way that pornography is portrayed, it is extremely uncomfortable for the woman. Most often when women participate in those situations it is part of an effort to survive, not for pleasure.

Anyone who would assert that women enjoy Porn is most definitely NOT "In Christ"!!!

 

[InChrist]

Unbiblical? !!
There are over 1000 rules and laws in a Christian Theocracy, and the death penalty is included for various crimes.

A poll on another (Christian) forum found that a high % of Christian members would support the death penalty for LGBTQ people!

A Christian controlled country would be a Theocracy! Rule by biblical laws!

I don't know what you are talking about with regard to 1000's of rules. The scriptures give no mandate for a "Christian controlled country". Anyway, just because "Christians" on some forum would support the death penalty for LGBTQ doesn't prove anything about the Bible or the will of God.

 

[oldbadger]

In the case of the verses you listed it was the ROMAN GOVERNMENT which had the practice of slavery going on during that time. Slavery is and always has been a practice instituted by humans and human governments, not God, not the Bible. Paul was simply instructing believers how to behave and the attitude to have in the midst of the circumstances in which they had to live uinder. The point of the gospel is to change human hearts and minds and save them for eternity, not overthrow entire governments or systems in place. Nevertheless, Christians whose lives have been transformed have led the way in the battle against slavery because ultimately the gospel is about true freedom and respect for each person created in the image of God.

Do you refute what Paul wrote and consider it a disgrace to him, or not?

He even instructed slaves of hard masters to obey them!

Again:-
Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. (1 Peter 2:18)

You do realise that many of these slaves really were sex slaves?

Let us all see you admit Paul's shame here....... or not.