Deity of Jesus, according to Scripture.

[Desert Snake]

This thread is for the presentation of Scripture, verses, which attest to the Deity , or not, of Jesus, please state which Bible you are using.

 

[Shiranui117]

The most obvious is John 1:1. Here's the ESV:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Greek (taken from greekbible.com)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

To those who would argue that John 1:1c should properly be translated "And the Word was a god" due to the lack of a definite article before "Theos", please tell me how you would translate the Greek of Romans 8:33, where both "Theou" and "Theos" both lack the definite article:
τίς ἐγκαλέσει κατὰ ἐκλεκτῶν θεοῦ; θεὸς ὁ δικαιῶν:

 

[jidex]

He said I am in the Father and the Father is inside me in the book of John

 

[Dinner123]

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

version: AKJV

 

[angellous_evangellous]

This thread is for the presentation of Scripture, verses, which attest to the Deity , or not, of Jesus, please state which Bible you are using.

None of them do - so there's no verse to present.

 

[Deadtroopers]

John 1:1 only says theos and logos are the same thing. You need 1:14 for an attestation that the logos was incarnated. The following verses speak of Jesus as son of god and that he was identified as such by the spirit of god. I am looking at the King James and Jesus Seminar versions. Neither read to me as a single composition; the opening chapter reads like a patchwork of two or more texts that have been edited together, and not altogether successfully. Read consecutively god=word=son of god=Jesus seems to be the impression of meaning that is to be understood but looking closely I read god=word=son of god in verses 1-14 and son of god=Jesus in verses 15-34: the former does not seem to include the latter; neither does the latter the former. As an aside, verse 18 is in tension with Genesis and Exodus: Moses saw god's back and Jacob even wrestled with him. I agree with those scholars that find the gospel of John we have now to have been heavily edited to bring it into conformity with the emerging orthodoxy and that the redaction we have now can't be earlier than Marcion.

The gospel of John represents the highest christology in the New Testament and even then does not quite equate Jesus with God. That being so it is hard not to agree with angellous_evangellous that there are no verses to present in answer to the OP.

 

[Desert Snake]

The gospel of John represents the highest christology in the New Testament and even then does not quite equate Jesus with God. That being so it is hard not to agree with angellous_evangellous that there are no verses to present in answer to the OP.

Well I think we clearly have verses that state as such, it is rather the 'explaining them as not meaning what they say' that we usually encounter.

 

[Simplelogic]

The most obvious is John 1:1. Here's the ESV:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Greek (taken from greekbible.com)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

To those who would argue that John 1:1c should properly be translated "And the Word was a god" due to the lack of a definite article before "Theos", please tell me how you would translate the Greek of Romans 8:33, where both "Theou" and "Theos" both lack the definite article:
τίς ἐγκαλέσει κατὰ ἐκλεκτῶν θεοῦ; θεὸς ὁ δικαιῶν:

Do you see the "word" as the exact same being as Jesus?

 

[Pegg]

This thread is for the presentation of Scripture, verses, which attest to the Deity , or not, of Jesus, please state which Bible you are using.

can you define what mean by 'deity' in this context.

 

[Adstar]

OT prophecy showing that a child would be born who would be the mighty God.

Isaiah 9: King James Bible.
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
This Child that was born Christians believe in Jesus.

The first chapter in the Book of Revelation clearly shows that Jesus is God. The Almighty. The Alpha and Omega the First and the Last.

Revelation 1 King James Bible
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 ¶I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

 

[te_lanus]

John 14:16 (KJV)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever

(NLT)
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you.

If it is to be read as Jesus was saying it, it clearly state that Jesus and the Father ain't one. And that Jesus has no control over the Holy Spirit. For Jesus clearly State that He'll "ask" the Father to send the Comforter (Holy Spirit)

 

[Desert Snake]

The most obvious is John 1:1. Here's the ESV:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Greek (taken from greekbible.com)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

To those who would argue that John 1:1c should properly be translated "And the Word was a god" due to the lack of a definite article before "Theos", please tell me how you would translate the Greek of Romans 8:33, where both "Theou" and "Theos" both lack the definite article:
τίς ἐγκαλέσει κατὰ ἐκλεκτῶν θεοῦ; θεὸς ὁ δικαιῶν:

Right, we never seem to read 'a' or 'that' etc. The title is just stated flat out, like when the father calls Jesus 'G-d'.

 

[Simplelogic]

I would like to respond to the assertion that Isaiah 9:6 can be used to promote Jesus being God.

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isa 9:6

The word elohim can be used to refer to God (YHVH) or to man. Here is one example of this word being used to refer to man:

I said, "You are gods (literally "elohim"), and all you are children of the Most High." Psalm 82:6

This is speaking about the judges of Israel and it is clearly speaking about humans. The interesting thing about this is that Jesus himself answers this question himself of wether he was God or not.

31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. John 10:31-33

Here it is, the moment of truth. Jesus has just been accused of making himself out to be God. And look how he responds:

Yahshua answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I said, You are gods'? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the son of God'?" John 10:34-36

Jesus quotes Psalm 82:6 to explain to them that he was not claiming he was God! They were confused because of his title as "Son of God" that they thought he was making himself out to be God himself. Jesus tells them that this is NOT the case. Psalm 82:6 is a perfect example of the term elohim being used to denote a human, which is why Jesus used this verse for his defense.

You may ask "why is he called an everlasting Father?"

To much surprise, the Messiah is actually going to have children here on earth when he returns to reign!

Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; He has put him to grief. When You make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed (children), He shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. Isaiah 53:10

In Ezekiel 46:16-18, God gives the laws concerning the land inheritance of the Messiah's "sons"!

Psalm 45 also is a Messianic Psalm which speaks of his children in the future kingdom:

My heart is overflowing with a good theme; I recite my composition concerning the King. ..."Your throne ,O elohim (god) is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom. You love righteousness and hate wickedness; Therefore elohim (god), your Elohim (God) has anointed you with the oil of gladness more than your companions. ...King's daughters are among your honorable women; At your right hand stands the queen in gold from Ophir. Listen, O daughter, consider and incline your ear; Forget your own people also, and your father's house; So the king will greatly desire your beauty; Because he is your Lord, worship him. ...The royal daughter is all glorious within the palace; Her clothing is woven with gold. She shall be brought to the King in robes of many colors; The virgins, her companions who follow her, shall be brought to you. With gladness and rejoicing they shall be brought; They shall enter the King's palace. Instead of your fathers shall be your sons, whom you shall make princes in all the earth. I will make your name to be remembered in all generations; Therefore the people shall praise you forever and ever."

 

[Simplelogic]

Places where Jesus himself says that YHVH was his God:

"You have heard me say to you, 'I am going away and coming back to you,' If you loved me, you would rejoice because I said, 'I am going to the Father,' for my Father is greater than I." John 14:28

Yahshua said to her, "Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God.'" John 20:17

And at the ninth hour Yahshua cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which is translated, "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" Mark 15:34

"He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out no more. And I will write on him the name of [B]my God[/B] and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, And I will write on him my new name." Revelation 3:12

 

[Simplelogic]

John rights in the Revelation about Jesus' God:

...and from Yahshua the Messiah, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth, To him who loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and has made us a kingdom of priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Revelation 1:5,6

 

[JayJayDee]

The most obvious is John 1:1. Here's the ESV:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Greek (taken from greekbible.com)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

To those who would argue that John 1:1c should properly be translated "And the Word was a god" due to the lack of a definite article before "Theos", please tell me how you would translate the Greek of Romans 8:33, where both "Theou" and "Theos" both lack the definite article:
τίς ἐγκαλέσει κατὰ ἐκλεκτῶν θεοῦ; θεὸς ὁ δικαιῶν:

The things is Shiranui, that two "gods" are mentioned in John 1:1. Since the term "god" simply has the meaning of " a mighty one", it has been demonstrated that this term can relate to even humans who have a measure of power. It is a descriptor, not a name. Since the removal of God's personal name from the Bible, people have come to view "God" as the personal name of the Creator. But it is a title, like "Lord". It can be used for others, not just relating to God himself.

In John 1:1 there is THE God (ho theos) and god (theos) referring to Jesus. If you have the definite article referring to one and not the other in the same passage, then you have two separate individuals who both qualify as "gods". But only one is THE God. It is not THE God who became flesh....it was the Word who was incarnated. Can we deny that the Word, who became the man Jesus Christ, is "a mighty one"?

There is no scripture where Jesus said he is anything but the "son of God". He worships his Father too, even in heaven. (Rev 3:12)

Can one part of God worship another equal part of himself? If there is a three headed God, where is the command to worship the holy spirit? Jesus said that two things were necessary for everlasting life....'knowing the only true God and the one he sent forth, Jesus Christ' (John 17:3) There are only two individuals mentions here and Jesus did not include himself in his description of "the only true God". Where is the third person, and why is he missing from this statement if he is an equal part of the godhead?

The trinity is a made up tradition....it is illogical and entirely unscriptural. It is in fact blasphemous to place any other god on equal footing with the Father, who is "the only true God" and he "alone" who should be worshipped. ( Luke 4:8.)

 

[te_lanus]

The trinity is a made up tradition. ( Luke 4:8.)

True. Indeed Tertullian wrote:

"I bid you also observe, that on my side I advance the passage where the Father said to the Son,
'Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten Thee.' (original Text (according to the writings of the early Church Fathers) of Luke's version of Jesus' Baptism)

If you want me to believe Him to be both the Father and the Son, show me some other passage
where it is declared,
'The Lord said unto Himself, I am my own Son, to-day have I begotten myself;'

or again,
'Before the morning did I beget myself;'

and likewise,
'I the Lord possessed Myself in the beginning of my ways for my own works; before all the hills,
too, did I beget myself;'

and whatever other passages are to the same effect. Why, moreover, could God the Lord of all
things, have hesitated to speak thus of Himself, if the fact had been so?"