Demanding scientific evidence for the existence of God is ridiculous

[dust1n]

Yes, it's the same kind.

So, what two animals within the same kind do? Can they mate and have offspring? Is that what makes them their own kind?

 

[dust1n]

In your world view without a guide it's OK to torture babies for pleasure.

No, in your world view it's okay to torture babies for pleasure without your guide.

 

[dust1n]

What do you think "verifiable evidence" is? Why is the information I have presented to you not "verifiable evidence" of evolution?

Verifiable evidence is evidence that anyone can find between Genesis 1:1 and Revelation 22:21.

If your evidence isn't between there, then I'm not sure how we can even pretend like we're doing science.

 

[Robert William]

Are you reading the pages I've posted? How are fossils not verifiable? How are genetics and retroviral inserts not verifiable?

What do you think "verifiable evidence" actually is? What would "verifiable evidence" of evolution actually look like, to you?

I'm looking for verifiable evidence for change of kind, for example Ape to Human, we don't see that in the fossil record or anywhere because it never happened.

 

[dust1n]

I'm looking for verifiable evidence for change of kind, for example Ape to Human, we don't see that in the fossil record or anywhere because it never happened.

Nope, we don't see that in fossil record anywhere.

If you notice there is a stamp on the back of either one of these skull fragments that sayings "John 3:16" on it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I'm looking for verifiable evidence for change of kind, for example Ape to Human, we don't see that in the fossil record or anywhere because it never happened.

I've given you six websites full of information now. We clearly see in the fossil record a series of transitional forms shows human-like creatures with features akin to that of ancestral apes gradually changing as we ascend the geological strata. The genetic similarity between humans and contemporary apes also points at common ancestry, as does human chromosome 2 which shows clear signs of being the result of a fusion between two chromosome found in other apes, and the presence of dozens of endogenous retroviral inserts in our genetics that match identically with those of other contemporary apes accumulate to provide very conclusive evidence of common ancestry. Everything I have just told you about is observable, testable and verifiable.

 

[outhouse]

we don't see that in the fossil record or anywhere because it never happened.

We do require honesty here.

 

[outhouse]

the truth as the scriptures say you would.

I don't think you know much about paul and his community to be able to quote him out of context.

Pauls community FACTUALLY has nothing at all considered as evidence against evolution which is fact.

 

[outhouse]

Still no verifiable evidence.

Agreed there is no evidence at all for creation mythology being real

Waiting.

 

[outhouse]

without a Biblical guide you can do anything you want, including being dishonest

The bible does not stop fanaticism from telling many lie's one after the other.


Look at people who refuse that evolution is fact and supported by a mountain of evidence

Creation has no evidence and people who follow the bible often apply different standards to mythology then facts.

 

[Robert William]

Agreed there is no evidence at all for creation mythology being real

Waiting.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

While we're at it, demanding scientific evidence for the existence of invisible dragons is ridiculous too.

 

[outhouse]

Gen

Mythology is not credible evidence.

It seems, you don't know the first thing about the book of genesis.

 

[outhouse]

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

1. In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
2. Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
3. Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
4. Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Bunyip]

The fox manipulated by man is still a dog after it's kind.

No Robert, dogs are a different species (kind) to foxes. Both have a common canine ancestor though, but no foxes are not dogs.

 

[Bunyip]

I'm asking for verifiable evidence of one change of kind to another, for example ape to human in the fossil record, or a half human half ape on film, it's been thousands of years and nobody has ever seen one, you would think with all our technology we would have seen one by now, hint, it never happened!

The so called evidence is huge, because the majority of the earth's population is choosing to suppress the truth as scripture says they would.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an i

Humans are apes Robert.

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram Outhouse ji

Many people claim there is more then imagination, fantasy, and mythology. It is those people who define the concept beyond this that run into trouble as we would like evidence beyond mythology.

if you would like eveidence beyond mythology then make genuine unbisad personal enquiry , ....

 

[Skwim]

The fox manipulated by man is still a dog after it's kind.

Err . . . no it isn't, it isn't even close. Hell, they don't even belong to the same genus.

Fox genus: Vulpes
Dog genus: Canis

They don't share any taxonomic similarity until their family, Canidae, which also includes the coyotes and jackals, Of course, if you're saying that "kind" denotes families then you've put yourself in a real bucket of trouble.

 

[Bunyip]

Hate to point out the elephant in the room Gambit - but if demanding scientific evidence of God is ridiculous, then positing a God must be ridiculous.

 

[Gambit]

Hate to point out the elephant in the room Gambit - but if demanding scientific evidence of God is ridiculous, then positing a God must be ridiculous.

It would behoove you to actually read the OP before posting..