Demanding scientific evidence for the existence of God is ridiculous

[ratikala]

namaskaram Theif ji

That wasn't nice.....

oh dont worry about Luis , ....he loves me realy , he just has a strange way of showing it , ....

and he allways behaves like this when he dosent want to acknowledge that I might just have a vaild point !!!

 

[ratikala]

jai jai Luis ji

I suppose it is not nice to refuse to be manipulated.

why would I wish to manipulate you , ...all I want to do is tempt you to open your eyes and to give someone elses point a fair hearing

if you did you might just realise that I am not in the least what you paint me to be .

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram , ....

So, if I describe Harry Potter or The Cat in the Hat or Gandalf as "He", that must mean there is knowledge of these characters, and therefore they must exist?

they exist , yes as fictional characters , .....when we say he in relation to God we are automaticaly personifying the principle of a supreme being , ......

 

[outhouse]

, it's not possible for humans to create a universe with nothing

Mythology cannot create a universe either.

The whole thing is nothing was created from nothing. How you define nothing is what gets tricky.

BUT, a current hypothesis that is credible is that a singularity created the universe. As it stands the universe is factually full of singularities.

So it is possible a supermassive black hole expanded into our universe and mythology is not required to ex[plain anything.

 

[outhouse]

...what need then is there for proof just personal introspection ....

Many people claim there is more then imagination, fantasy, and mythology. It is those people who define the concept beyond this that run into trouble as we would like evidence beyond mythology.

 

[outhouse]

.....when we say he in relation to God

We are following ancient mythology as the gods were male and female.

The Abrahamic deity started out as two male gods, one he father El was the father to all other gods. Yahweh his son ended up being a warrior god and having a wife Asherah who was first Els wife.

 

[Thief]

Gen_1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Ok we can forget about the word kind bugs you that much.

My point is, a dog always births a dog an ape always births an ape.

By the way I'm still waiting for any one who believes in evolution to give me some verifiable evidence to prove evolution.

How about manipulation?....did someone post 'foxes'?

Saw a science program....
Foxes were bred in such a manner, picking the mild temper and bringing forth offspring.
You get a very tame fox.....easily handled.

The process can be reversed.
It's not evolution.

Now consider Genesis, Chapter Two.

 

[Bunyip]

How about manipulation?....did someone post 'foxes'?

Saw a science program....
Foxes were bred in such a manner, picking the mild temper and bringing forth offspring.
You get a very tame fox.....easily handled.

The process can be reversed.
It's not evolution.

Now consider Genesis, Chapter Two.

That is evolution. It is selection - which is evolution.

 

[Thief]

That is evolution. It is selection - which is evolution.

It was not the action of natural selection.
Man had a hand in the process.
Intelligent intent was in play.

Go back and read Genesis chapter Two.

 

[Bunyip]

It was not the action of natural selection.
Man had a hand in the process.
Intelligent intent was in play.

Go back and read Genesis chapter Two.

So what? It is still evolution. Go back and read elementary school biology.

 

[Thief]

So what? It is still evolution. Go back and read elementary school biology.

and it is termed....natural selection....
which does not include manipulation.

Go back and read Genesis Chapter Two.

 

[Bunyip]

and it is termed....natural selection....
which does not include manipulation.

Go back and read Genesis Chapter Two.

No artificial selection is still evolution. Go back and read elementary biology.

 

[Thief]

No artificial selection is still evolution. Go back and read elementary biology.

What part of the process is artificial?
The mind behind the intent?

Evolution is a chemistry that functions without our intent.

Now if you want to say God is behind evolution.....

 

[Bunyip]

What part of the process is artificial?
The mind behind the intent?

Evolution is a chemistry that functions without our intent.

Now if you want to say God is behind evolution.....

No, evolution is change over time - whether by intent or natural selection, it is still evolution.

As I said, brush up on elementary school biology.

 

[Thief]

No, evolution is change over time - whether by intent or natural selection, it is still evolution.

As I said, brush up on elementary school biology.

Picking and choosing the specimens is not evolution.

 

[Bunyip]

Picking and choosing the specimens is not evolution.

Yes it is buddy. Artificial selection and natural selection are still both evolution.

Of course 'picking and choosing the specimens' is evolution, it is called 'artificial selection.

Try reading an elementary school biology book.

 

[Awkward Fingers]

How about manipulation?....did someone post 'foxes'?

Saw a science program....
Foxes were bred in such a manner, picking the mild temper and bringing forth offspring.
You get a very tame fox.....easily handled.

The process can be reversed.
It's not evolution.

Now consider Genesis, Chapter Two.

That would be the Silver Foxes you're talking about, correct?

Please show me where the process was reversed.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

they exist , yes as fictional characters , .....when we say he in relation to God we are automaticaly personifying the principle of a supreme being , ......

No. When I refer to God as "he" I am still referring to a fictional character. You can't just make up your own rules of logic and language in order to defy basic reasoning. The argument you made was inane.

 

[Thief]

That would be the Silver Foxes you're talking about, correct?

Please show me where the process was reversed.

Nope...common brown fox....
and yes...the temperament of the animal coincides with mated specimens.....chosen.

much like the obvious qualities we see in the various breeds of dog.
Labradors like water....
Chihuahuas run under the furniture and hide....
Dobermans will wet your leg and then growl at you....

that sort of thing

 

[Robert William]

That is evolution. It is selection - which is evolution.

The fox manipulated by man is still a dog after it's kind.