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Democrats Are A Threat To Democracy?

esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Democrats say that the Republicans are a threat to democracy; however lets take a look at the facts.
1.Biden won 87%+ of the 2024 Democrat primary for 2024
2. Joe Biden has admitted he was effectively pushed out of the presidential race by top Democrats.
3. Pelosi basically admits she was the driving force to take Biden out

So, it appears that it was a cabal that forced Biden to step down, not the will of the people.
This opens the conspiracy theories that Harris was also involved in that they waited to almost the last minute to force Biden out ensuring that the far left leaning Harris taking Biden's place. Not doing it sooner to insure that more moderate Democrats would not be able to give the people a chance to determine who that wanted.
Links to supports items 1, 2, and 3

Results of the 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Doesn't sound like democracy does it.
 
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Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
esmith said:
Democrats say that the Republicans are a threat to democracy; however lets take a look at the facts.
1.Biden won 87%+ of the 2024 Democrat primary for 2024
2. Joe Biden has admitted he was effectively pushed out of the presidential race by top Democrats.
3. Pelosi basically admits she was the driving force to take Biden out

So, it appears that it was a cabal that forced Biden to step down, not the will of the people.
This opens the conspiracy theories that Harris was also involved in that they waited to almost the last minute to force Biden out ensuring that the far left leaning Harris taking Biden's place. Not doing it sooner to insure that more moderate Democrats would not be able to give the people a chance to determine who that wanted.
Links to supports items 1, 2, and 3

Results of the 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Doesn't sound like democracy does it.
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That might be because we have a Republican form of government.

What is the definition of a Republican government?

[W]e may define a republic to be, or at least may bestow that name on, a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure, for a limited period, or during good behavior.

The primaries elected people to send to the convention to determine the nominee for the party which is what is happening. :hugehug:
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Pogo said:
That might be because we have a Republican form of government.

What is the definition of a Republican government?

[W]e may define a republic to be, or at least may bestow that name on, a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure, for a limited period, or during good behavior.

The primaries elected people to send to the convention to determine the nominee for the party which is what is happening. :hugehug:
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spin it anyway you like, it still smells of a consipracy:shrug:
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
esmith said:
Democrats say that the Republicans are a threat to democracy; however lets take a look at the facts.
1.Biden won 87%+ of the 2024 Democrat primary for 2024
2. Joe Biden has admitted he was effectively pushed out of the presidential race by top Democrats.
3. Pelosi basically admits she was the driving force to take Biden out

So, it appears that it was a cabal that forced Biden to step down, not the will of the people.
This opens the conspiracy theories that Harris was also involved in that they waited to almost the last minute to force Biden out ensuring that the far left leaning Harris taking Biden's place. Not doing it sooner to insure that more moderate Democrats would not be able to give the people a chance to determine who that wanted.
Links to supports items 1, 2, and 3

Results of the 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Doesn't sound like democracy does it.
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It's a political party.
I'd think they could go about deciding on their candidate however the folks in charge decided. IOW, allowing it's members to vote is a courtesy.

No one is required in the general election to vote for a party candidate.

Unfortunately, both main parties have monopolized US politics to the point the public feels they are a necessity for a representative government.
One shouldn't be surprised if either party goes off the rails when it comes to how you think a democratic republic ought to operate.
 
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Koldo

Koldo

Outstanding Member
esmith said:
Democrats say that the Republicans are a threat to democracy; however lets take a look at the facts.
1.Biden won 87%+ of the 2024 Democrat primary for 2024
2. Joe Biden has admitted he was effectively pushed out of the presidential race by top Democrats.
3. Pelosi basically admits she was the driving force to take Biden out

So, it appears that it was a cabal that forced Biden to step down, not the will of the people.
This opens the conspiracy theories that Harris was also involved in that they waited to almost the last minute to force Biden out ensuring that the far left leaning Harris taking Biden's place. Not doing it sooner to insure that more moderate Democrats would not be able to give the people a chance to determine who that wanted.
Links to supports items 1, 2, and 3

Results of the 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Doesn't sound like democracy does it.
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Far left leaning Harris? You must be living in a different reality.
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
esmith said:
Democrats say that the Republicans are a threat to democracy; however lets take a look at the facts.
1.Biden won 87%+ of the 2024 Democrat primary for 2024
2. Joe Biden has admitted he was effectively pushed out of the presidential race by top Democrats.
3. Pelosi basically admits she was the driving force to take Biden out

So, it appears that it was a cabal that forced Biden to step down, not the will of the people.
This opens the conspiracy theories that Harris was also involved in that they waited to almost the last minute to force Biden out ensuring that the far left leaning Harris taking Biden's place. Not doing it sooner to insure that more moderate Democrats would not be able to give the people a chance to determine who that wanted.
Links to supports items 1, 2, and 3

Results of the 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Doesn't sound like democracy does it.
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The more I hear about this, the more I start wondering if the Dems had had this all planned about 6-months ago.
The Trump campaign was focused on age and mental ability of their opponent, I'd love it if all along the Dems led them on, and then as late as reasonably possible did the switch.
Do I have any evidence ... no!
But, the Dems came out of the trap with all guns blazing, they coalesced around Harris, the campaign was ready, money poured in, ads were run.
Meanwhile the GOP is lost .... your post says it all, it is trying to call 'foul' because they changed candidates. It has not a clue how to handle Harris or Walz, their attacks have been ineffectual.

Their 'old and senile' attack line is back firing. Is it too late to ditch Trump?
 
Argentbear

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
esmith said:
Democrats say that the Republicans are a threat to democracy; however lets take a look at the facts.
1.Biden won 87%+ of the 2024 Democrat primary for 2024
2. Joe Biden has admitted he was effectively pushed out of the presidential race by top Democrats.
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and where in your link does Biden say he was forced out?
esmith said:
3. Pelosi basically admits she was the driving force to take Biden out
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From your link: "And she reiterated her public stance that the president’s decision to get out of the race and endorse Vice President Kamala Harris as his replacement at the top of the ticket was Biden’s and Biden’s alone."
esmith said:
So, it appears that it was a cabal that forced Biden to step down, not the will of the people.
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Nearly two-thirds of Democrats want Biden to withdraw, new AP-NORC poll finds
esmith said:
This opens the conspiracy theories that Harris was also involved in that they waited to almost the last minute to force Biden out ensuring that the far left leaning Harris taking Biden's place.
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oh a conspiracy theory....well it must be true then.
esmith said:
Not doing it sooner to insure that more moderate Democrats would not be able to give the people a chance to determine who that wanted.
Links to supports items 1, 2, and 3

Results of the 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Doesn't sound like democracy does it.
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Doesn't sound like you read your own links
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
esmith said:
Democrats say that the Republicans are a threat to democracy; however lets take a look at the facts.
1.Biden won 87%+ of the 2024 Democrat primary for 2024
2. Joe Biden has admitted he was effectively pushed out of the presidential race by top Democrats.
3. Pelosi basically admits she was the driving force to take Biden out

So, it appears that it was a cabal that forced Biden to step down, not the will of the people.
This opens the conspiracy theories that Harris was also involved in that they waited to almost the last minute to force Biden out ensuring that the far left leaning Harris taking Biden's place. Not doing it sooner to insure that more moderate Democrats would not be able to give the people a chance to determine who that wanted.
Links to supports items 1, 2, and 3

Results of the 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Doesn't sound like democracy does it.
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Look no further than the People's Republic States and ask do you want to live out your life in something like that?
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
esmith said:
Democrats say that the Republicans are a threat to democracy; however lets take a look at the facts.
1.Biden won 87%+ of the 2024 Democrat primary for 2024
2. Joe Biden has admitted he was effectively pushed out of the presidential race by top Democrats.
3. Pelosi basically admits she was the driving force to take Biden out

So, it appears that it was a cabal that forced Biden to step down, not the will of the people.
This opens the conspiracy theories that Harris was also involved in that they waited to almost the last minute to force Biden out ensuring that the far left leaning Harris taking Biden's place. Not doing it sooner to insure that more moderate Democrats would not be able to give the people a chance to determine who that wanted.
Links to supports items 1, 2, and 3

Results of the 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Doesn't sound like democracy does it.
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What would have happened if Biden had died? It can happen. Answer: the party would do what it is doing now. After all, it would be silly to go into a convention with a dead candidate.

How about if he suddenly had a stroke and became incapacitated? Ditto!

Well, the party has decided, based on his performances in public, that he is indeed incapacitated. So what's the big deal? (I'll let you in a secret -- the big deal is that now the Democrats have a chance of winning, and you hate that.)
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Altfish said:
The more I hear about this, the more I start wondering if the Dems had had this all planned about 6-months ago.
The Trump campaign was focused on age and mental ability of their opponent, I'd love it if all along the Dems led them on, and then as late as reasonably possible did the switch.
Do I have any evidence ... no!
But, the Dems came out of the trap with all guns blazing, they coalesced around Harris, the campaign was ready, money poured in, ads were run.
Meanwhile the GOP is lost .... your post says it all, it is trying to call 'foul' because they changed candidates. It has not a clue how to handle Harris or Walz, their attacks have been ineffectual.

Their 'old and senile' attack line is back firing. Is it too late to ditch Trump?
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If Trump wasn't such narcissist, and could listen to the people around him, they could have warned him this might happen, and been somewhat prepared for it. But he was so totally enamored with the idea that he "beat Biden" in the debate and then survived an assassination attempt that he was all set to puff himself up to Godlike status until the election. Then Biden stepped out of the race and the dems stole all his imaginary thunder. And he had no plan B.

So now all he can do is all he knows how to do ... lie, and slander, and name-call like a 6-year-old.
 
F

F1fan

Veteran Member
esmith said:
Democrats say that the Republicans are a threat to democracy; however lets take a look at the facts.
1.Biden won 87%+ of the 2024 Democrat primary for 2024
2. Joe Biden has admitted he was effectively pushed out of the presidential race by top Democrats.
3. Pelosi basically admits she was the driving force to take Biden out
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Imagine that, democrats working amongst themselves to resolve a problem with their candidate for president that republicans themselves had said was a problem. So according to republicans democrats couldn't replace Biden at all? What if he had died, would they be forced to run a dead candidate? No. There's nothing going on here except that Biden had unwisely decided to run again, which could have been an issue with his age. Notice Biden has been convinced he's not the best candidate for democrats, and now republicans are probably regreting that they have been attacking Biden's age. Well, you guys brought it up, and didn't think ahead, as usual. Sloppy and undisciplined. We need better in our national leadership.
esmith said:
So, it appears that it was a cabal that forced Biden to step down, not the will of the people.
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Look at the enthusiam that Harris has gotten, including many who were thinking third party candicates. Your claim here is baseless.
esmith said:
This opens the conspiracy theories that Harris was also involved in that they waited to almost the last minute to force Biden out ensuring that the far left leaning Harris taking Biden's place. Not doing it sooner to insure that more moderate Democrats would not be able to give the people a chance to determine who that wanted.
Links to supports items 1, 2, and 3

Results of the 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Doesn't sound like democracy does it.
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The only conspiracy theories re you conservatives who got what you deserved. And you are still complaining. Too bad. You picked Trump, and you are stuck with a dying candidate whose energy is like a dim bulb. Good luck in Novermber, and we will see you at Trump's criminal trials. Unless you guys attack the USA again because you can't handle another loss.
 
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F

F1fan

Veteran Member
Altfish said:
The more I hear about this, the more I start wondering if the Dems had had this all planned about 6-months ago.
The Trump campaign was focused on age and mental ability of their opponent, I'd love it if all along the Dems led them on, and then as late as reasonably possible did the switch.
Do I have any evidence ... no!
But, the Dems came out of the trap with all guns blazing, they coalesced around Harris, the campaign was ready, money poured in, ads were run.
Meanwhile the GOP is lost .... your post says it all, it is trying to call 'foul' because they changed candidates. It has not a clue how to handle Harris or Walz, their attacks have been ineffectual.
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I'm sure with Biden's gaffs and obvious signs of aging there were some alternative plans being made, especially after the debate. It was as real possibility that Biden could get sick at any time and fail, and democrats would be wise to have a plan B, obviously with Harris as vp. To be honest the speed and coordination that has occurred over the last three weeks suggests the exceptional competency of the democrats. Contrast the performance of the Trump team and they were caught off guard and still haven't been able to regain any momenum. Who do you want to be in charge of national security? Remember, Trump could have been prepared for the pandemic but disbanded the team. That cost lives and money.

A government has to be ready for threats, and be prepared to respond. I'd say the last three weeks shows the democrats are way ahead of republicans in competency.
Altfish said:
Their 'old and senile' attack line is back firing. Is it too late to ditch Trump?
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The more Trump speaks the better it is for Harris. And they are stuck with him. Can Vance help? Not according to interviews and his past statements.
 
Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Altfish said:
Their 'old and senile' attack line is back firing. Is it too late to ditch Trump?
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Trump is too old and senile ( actually I think it is dementia) to stand down whereas
Biden realized that whatever the reality, the perception made his rational decision to step down the best move for the country he was elected to lead.
 
Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Argentbear said:
Yes, YEs I do. My computer cabals are nothing but a huge tangled mess under the desk
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I wish my new printer worked with a cabal, instead of Bluetooth WIFI, I have to reconnect it every time I want to print anything. :(
Mangled Tangled and Spaghetti.


I have the cable but the Chrome OS only works with this HP printer via wireless.
 
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