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Democrats will not take money from fossil fuels.

Audie

Veteran Member
You don't understand wind power. Look at your logic again..

Electricity will get airplanes off the ground, just like cars.

You believe climate change is a hoax right? I've seen people repeat the same junk.

Soon as you come up with a battery that can
rival jet fuel, go for it.

That is sci fi.

Value equal to your mistaken assumptions about me.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You don't understand wind power. Look at your logic again..

Electricity will get airplanes off the ground, just like cars.

You believe climate change is a hoax right? I've seen people repeat the same junk.
The problem with electric planes are cargo capacity and the ability to fly meaningful distances. Batteries have a much lower energy density than fossil fuels. Unless there is a revolutionary change in battery technology you will never see battery powered jet airliners. Weight is a very very important consideration when it comes to flight. That is why there are no atomic airplanes. The atom has a very high energy density, but the plants needed to harvest that energy are massive.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Then clarify next time.

And yes, sun and wind powered jets will be a thing in time; it wasn't all that long ago where flying at all was laughed and mocked at.
Possibly. Though not with our current technology. And perhaps never. There are problems that cannot be solved with engineering.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Bingo. It's a good way to funnel oil money through the veneer of ecology. Who's going to look bad accepting money from sources involved in renewable energy?

Natural gas too. It's growth is very predictable and has seen investment as companies diversified into other energy products outside of oil for years.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
In 2016 gas and oil companies gave over $900,000 in political contributions to Hillary Clinton. Almost as much as it gave to President Trump, just over $924,000.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Then clarify next time.

And yes, sun and wind powered jets will be a thing in time; it wasn't all that long ago where flying at all was laughed and mocked at.


I dont believe you are so dim that you actually needed clarification,
or think solar powered aircraft will ever be used.
 
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tytlyf

Not Religious
Soon as you come up with a battery that can
rival jet fuel, go for it.

That is sci fi.

Value equal to your mistaken assumptions about me.
Fine, keep your airplanes running on gas. So is climate change a hoax?
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
In 2016 gas and oil companies gave over $900,000 in political contributions to Hillary Clinton. Almost as much as it gave to President Trump, just over $924,000.
There you are....Those are political contributions. We can talk about lobbying (buying up congress to write corporate laws). That's a little different.

It's easy to tell which people in government are bought by Big Oil, they deny climate change. Oh, you'll see the same bunch hanging out every year with the Koch Brothers at a private resort in CA for a couple days. Gotta teach them what to say and what laws the corporations want.

"Regulations stifle growth and hurt jobs!!!!!!" *snicker*
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I've noticed you don't answer the climate question. It's not that long of a sentence.

Observant of you, but only by one half.

You saw my reference to your mistaken
assumptions? Plural. All of them. Mistake.
You want it in French, or Cantonese?

For some reason you keep trying to fit me into
some framework you dreamed up.

Excuse me while I dont indulge your silly game.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I want people to understand that this is not necessarily about being anti-oil or even anti-oil companies. But it is about saying that oil companies should not be dictating national policy. And with the huge contributions (bribes) to politicians that is in essence what has been happening.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I want people to understand that this is not necessarily about being anti-oil or even anti-oil companies. But it is about saying that oil companies should not be dictating national policy. And with the huge contributions (bribes) to politicians that is in essence what has been happening.

That is fine but they are hardly the only players, this is about posturing,
not actual funding / lobby / influence peddling reform.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
There you are....Those are political contributions. We can talk about lobbying (buying up congress to write corporate laws). That's a little different.

It's easy to tell which people in government are bought by Big Oil, they deny climate change. Oh, you'll see the same bunch hanging out every year with the Koch Brothers at a private resort in CA for a couple days. Gotta teach them what to say and what laws the corporations want.

"Regulations stifle growth and hurt jobs!!!!!!" *snicker*
Many of the anthropomorphic climate change skeptics (not “deniers”) have no connection whatsoever to fossil fuel interests. On the other hand the connections between anthropomorphic climate change advocates, or worse climate change alarmists, and vested interests in government that exploit climate change irrational fear are stronger. They exploit those irrational fears to grow government.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Many of the anthropomorphic climate change skeptics (not “deniers”) have no connection whatsoever to fossil fuel interests. On the other hand the connections between anthropomorphic climate change advocates, or worse climate change alarmists, and vested interests in government that exploit climate change irrational fear are stronger. They exploit those irrational fears to grow government.
Yep, a RW shill. Your problem is that the conspiracy theory you keep pushing is a RW talking point. Not factual basis.

Care to try again?
 
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