demon/angel

[Electra]

Would you relate each angel to pair with a demon, they are two extremes of one being that in other realities serve as One but in our duel reality they are split?

So we are wanting to balance both powers in ourselves, as they both will always want to over power? but both help not harm each other?
Keeping our connection with God Force, staying in our Centre, having one hand in hell, one hand in heaven? (to rule the Earth) (hehe)

anyone think of this this way?

I have only started to research this all and this was something that I was curious about in my own thoughts,

 

[Mindmaster]

Would you relate each angel to pair with a demon, they are two extremes of one being that in other realities serve as One but in our duel reality they are split?

So we are wanting to balance both powers in ourselves, as they both will always want to over power? but both help not harm each other?
Keeping our connection with God Force, staying in our Centre, having one hand in hell, one hand in heaven? (to rule the Earth) (hehe)

anyone think of this this way?

I have only started to research this all and this was something that I was curious about in my own thoughts,

I find it strange that you feel the need to see this dichotomy, but my experience is that "angels" and "demons" are just wishful thinking in ones mind. There are "daimons' (per Greek meaning) and some of them are good and some are bad, respective to your subjective opinion but not really in and of themselves. Ever read about angels in the bible? Ask yourself if you'd ever really want to meet one... They were pretty nasty critters... The demons of the bible were no where near as violent, or vile.

The rest of your post requires panentheistic or pantheistic presumptions that are unable to be proven, either way... I really don't have a comment on these.

I'll posit another idea - that Jehovah isn't the "one true God" and that maybe this OG God suicided into his creation... I'll leave the crumbs, you do the work... How would that leave your ideas of polarity then? (would there be any?)... etc

 

[Electra]

I have met angles and demons and they are both scary in there own right - hahah.

I think in 'the bible' there is actually two Gods being described which is funny

I don't really understand the linkage

I think that when it comes down to it there is no polarity, but in this world we experience it.

 

[Electra]

do you believe in other dimensions? this is how I can tap into these other beings, sliding through dimensions.

 

[EtuMalku]

My understanding of this is that all these gods, devils, demons and angels are archetypal structures within our unconscious mind. They are assigned meaning, whether beneficial or detrimental, according to our beliefs. In essence they are aspects of ourselves and personifications of mankind's relationship with the energies of the objective universe.

Duality is an illusional construct of this objective universe.

 

[Corvus]

I have read many accounts of angels and demons in Judaic and Christian lore. There does not appear to be a dividing line other than loyalty to the Throne.

 

[Electra]

*digging*

Quoting Zohar 3:76b-77a

"Therefore, all the spirits and demons have one half from man below, and the other half from the angels of the supernal realm."

Yesss *keeps digging*

I feel demons closer to our rim of reality, angels are lighter in density.

 

[Mrpasserby]

'Would you relate each angel to pair with a demon, they are two extremes of one being that in other realities serve as One but in our duel reality they are split?'

Electra, In my experience this is not correct. That said when I was young to the ways of the spirit and had not been initiated enough time it was true that a visit from a angel was followed up by a visit from a demon and visa versa.
A question for you when you have amounted sufficient power and experiential knowledge are you planning on transcending good and evil to become a independent being.
I ask this because slipping in and out of dimensions could net you some difficulties in the future, if someone decides to follow your destiny trail and finds you out.
I say this as one who has experiential knowledge of the difficulties that this could bring.

 

[Electra]

'Would you relate each angel to pair with a demon, they are two extremes of one being that in other realities serve as One but in our duel reality they are split?'

Electra, In my experience this is not correct. That said when I was young to the ways of the spirit and had not been initiated enough time it was true that a visit from a angel was followed up by a visit from a demon and visa versa.
A question for you when you have amounted sufficient power and experiential knowledge are you planning on transcending good and evil to become a independent being.
I ask this because slipping in and out of dimensions could net you some difficulties in the future, if someone decides to follow your destiny trail and finds you out.
I say this as one who has experiential knowledge of the difficulties that this could bring.

demon/angel does not = good/evil to myself just different densities

what do mean by experiential knowledge? spirit journeys? tell me more

I am an independent being, I am my own god . . .

I am intrigued by what you just said.

 

[Mrpasserby]

'demon/angel does not = good/evil to myself just different densities
what do mean by experiential knowledge? spirit journeys? tell me more
I am an independent being, I am my own god . . .
I am intrigued by what you just said.'

Electra, sorry about the good evil jargon I have posted to a lot of christians lately.

Spirit journeying is a tough business, I have been wounded many times in ways that carry over to the physical realm, there are no free lunches.

You seem to express the concepts needed to be a spirit quester: attaining power to transcend your own limitations is a good start.

In my experience journeying within the world of spirits is all on the job training, gaining experiential knowledge.

I like the arrogants 'I am my own god', have you ever met a real demon or a angel face to face? (there is no need to answer).

In my experience: there are many conditions that have to be met before you can truly do any spirit journing.

The local general population of spirits have to become aware of you.
For a good start I suggest asking to get a visit from a really nice but powerful spirit by posting a few nice comments on his current iterations web site, and then asking for a visit from:.
Astral Meetings with the Being Belsebuub

In my experience even if you cannot perceive his presents right away he should over a short period of time become aware of you asking for a visit, he is a really good teacher and his website is loaded with good information.

With your stated desires I must ask if you have had a spirit world initiation yet. In my experience: this could come in the form of a dream or vision?
In my experience: these are frequently accompanied by you hearing a clear statement "you are initiated", or you receiving some type of totem/item, that you know that you have, but that it is located on the spirit side.

 

[Kapalika]

I can kinda understand this. I've described entities as both angelic and demonic before, even though it's technically not very accurate.

I would prefer to typically define it probably more like asuras vs suras. An asura isn't always evil, many were noble even. They are "anti-gods" so to speak.

But in that system it's not really comparable to have an asura pairing to a sura. There just are gods and anti-gods. Gods can be destructive but are not "evil" so far as I've ever heard of it. There are "fierce" forms though. With asuras they can be evil, or be good. I guess anything like a "lesser" spirit or demigod like thing that serves an asura or sura could be termed as demonic or angelic. But that's not normally how they are seen in Hinduism. My case is a little different as I am also a Satanist and got some other influences going on.

I can't really think of any deities that are "mirrors" of one another in the way you described. There are different aspects, even dualistic like aspects but they are not divided up in that way except that some deities have very benevolent forms and very firece forms. A good example would be a form like Laxshmi or Durga compared to Kali. Or Shiva compared to Bhairava. But even then Kali is seen as having motherly love in her domain, and Bhairva is often a protector of women. Shiva isn't normally depicted as violent or descrutive, those being reserved for Nataraja or Bhairava ect. So there's stuff like that. You particularly see it a lot in LHP Tantra (LHP originated in dharmic religions) to call on these entities ,and embrace the more scary, terrifying and forms alongside the more benevolent forms.

 

[VioletVortex]

Some Demons are good, some are bad. I don't think that there are really any angels to speak of.

 

[Electra]

Some Demons are good, some are bad. I don't think that there are really any angels to speak of.

then you have to believe in bad/good, this concept is unappealing to myself
we all become angels eventually
do you think we transcend another way? there is always more games to play . . ..

 

[Electra]

'demon/angel does not = good/evil to myself just different densities


Spirit journeying is a tough business, I have been wounded many times in ways that carry over to the physical realm, there are no free lunches.

You seem to express the concepts needed to be a spirit quester: attaining power to transcend your own limitations is a good start.

In my experience journeying within the world of spirits is all on the job training, gaining experiential knowledge.

I like the arrogants 'I am my own god', have you ever met a real demon or a angel face to face? (there is no need to answer).

In my experience: there are many conditions that have to be met before you can truly do any spirit journing.

The local general population of spirits have to become aware of you.


With your stated desires I must ask if you have had a spirit world initiation yet. In my experience: this could come in the form of a dream or vision?
In my experience: these are frequently accompanied by you hearing a clear statement "you are initiated", or you receiving some type of totem/item, that you know that you have, but that it is located on the spirit side.

I am well respected in the Spirit World

 

[Kapalika]

People have different beliefs and practices thus they will contradict each other.

Who is "right"? Well, Electra thinks she is right, Mrpasserby thinks they are right, and I think you are both wrong and I'm right.

In either 3 cases life moves on. No point in saying someone is or isn't initiated or whatever in a DIR

 

[Mrpasserby]

'In either 3 cases life moves on. No point in saying someone is or isn't initiated or whatever in a DIR'
Kapalika, It was very nice of you to be there for us, my sometimes overstated jargon is easily misinterpreted. I meant no offense.

 

[Electra]

People have different beliefs and practices thus they will contradict each other.

Who is "right"? Well, Electra thinks she is right, Mrpasserby thinks they are right, and I think you are both wrong and I'm right.

In either 3 cases life moves on. No point in saying someone is or isn't initiated or whatever in a DIR

'In either 3 cases life moves on. No point in saying someone is or isn't initiated or whatever in a DIR'
Kapalika, It was very nice of you to be there for us, my sometimes overstated jargon is easily misinterpreted. I meant no offense.

It is all perception. I am not right or wrong neither is the Other, just banter. That is why this site is good, to stir up the pot a little.

I am quiet light hearted in what I say but when I feel I am being talked down to I can bark, grrrrr.

 

[VioletVortex]

then you have to believe in bad/good, this concept is unappealing to myself
we all become angels eventually
do you think we transcend another way? there is always more games to play . . ..

How about I rephrase that.

"All Demons have two potential to work for or against any given favor".

 

[Electra]

How about I rephrase that.

"All Demons have two potential to work for or against any given favor".

yep, nice.

 

[1137]

All this angel/demon stuff sounds too clear cut and Christian for me. I actually just learned that angel wings are feathered because they are rooted in birds of prey, and when we really look into books like the Torah we see that basically everyone there is working for God, and some of the most respected angels are seriously, seriously scary (like Samael).

I think there is a duality but one of physical/non-physical, rather than good/evil or dark/light.