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i remember. I never flat out called you a liar.
It's a simple thing Skeptic. Just prove your claim.
Not my scientists, everyone's scientists.
Has anyone replying seen it? Have you considered the possibility that you're wrong rather than everyone else?
In this context, yes. In truth, we come up with countless casual hypotheses all the time. When you're crossing the road and working out if a gap in the traffic is big enough for you to safely cross, you're essentially testing a hypothesis.
If I was coming up with the argument you'd have a point, but I'm trying to get you to explain your argument. If you can't do that without describing something fallacious that is easily refuted, that isn't a strawman, it's just wrong.
Okay. All you have to do is show me where I have posted a predetermined conclusion.
If you don't understand something, you can ask to have it explained.
Read the OP.
Huh. You weren't able to address the point. Since then you have been doing your best to avoid it - creating unnecessary strawman.
From your scientists...
there are other approaches to make sense of why galaxies behave so strangely. Our new study, published in the Journal of Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics, shows that, by tweaking the laws of gravity on the enormous scales of galaxies, we may not actually need dark matter after all.
Perhaps you have heard of the other explanation.
I heard at least two.
What's your point?
Are you saying that other explanation being possible, renders all not evidences?
What exactly are you saying, because if this is another joke, I'll laugh.
I did.
Strange, the OP covers every detail, and you are saying you don't see it.
I believe we need special glasses for special blindness. I have neither.
Okay. Scientists do that.
They challenge each other's interpretation.
Do I need a hypothesis?
Okay, so I am in a violent gang, dealing drugs and guns.
My homeboy calls me up and says, 'Yo, boy. Heads up. Two hit men are heading over to your nest. Fly high or, roll."
I reply, "Wait. I haven't worked out a hypothesis for the scientists to test yet. You know, everything - absolutely everything - must be confirmed by science. Where you been living man? I'll sit here and think of one."
Actually, I only need two things.
Evidence that I have a reliable source of information, and evidence supporting that, based on knowledge.
I'm not in a science lab.
Cite your sources that
Are you aware of how many people disagree with the scientific community?
www.pewresearch.org
Why don't you invite some demons to your home. Say the magic words "Please " and "thank-you" when inviting them directly to yourself!People ask for evidence of demons.
Is there any evidence? Yes, there is.
First, we must understand what a demon is.
What are demons?
In the Bible, a demon is defined as an angel of God, that is debased. That is, a rebel angel.
An angel, is a higher form of life - a spirit being.
Thus, an angel is a life form, far more intelligent, and far more powerful than anything, known to man.
In another thread, I tried to help an individual grasp that. Was I successful?
Reasonableness is required. Let's see how many are.
Demons
- are unable to be physically detected, since they are invisible, and not affected by matter (Scientists have not yet observed dark matter directly. It doesn't interact with baryonic matter and it's completely invisible to light and other forms of electromagnetic radiation, making dark matter impossible to detect with current instruments)
- can affect matter, unknowingly, except one is aware of their design (All galaxies appear to be dominated by [Dark Matter. In] fact, galaxies are thought to form inside immense halos of dark matter)
Simply put... no puny instrument of man can detect a spirit being.
Does that mean, demons do not exist? No more than scientists believe Dark Matter, and Dark Energy are out there.
There are two ways to detect dark matter:
Of course, the scientists are not seeing Dark Matter, but looking for what effects indicate the presence of Dark Matter.
- Indirect detection: Scientists use indirect methods to detect dark matter. For example, they look for the effects of dark matter on visible matter, such as the gravitational pull of dark matter on stars and galaxies. Another indirect method is to look for gamma rays, the highest energy form of light, which are released when two dark matter particles collide.
- Direct detection: Scientists are also trying to detect dark matter directly. They are looking for the rare occasions when a dark matter particle collides with an atom in a detector on Earth.
The do so, based on their current understanding of how matter would, or should interact... according to their best educated guess.
The same is true of demons, and detecting their presence.
The Bible reveals knowledge about demons. It tells us, they are in opposition to God, and seeking to lead mankind in opposition to God.
Are they having success? What evidence do we have of their activity?
Recently, in the News... in almost every region, talk has been around the level of increased crime.
Persons say this is due to a range of factors, such as, COVID public health measures such as travel restrictions, school closures, lockdowns, and curfews, COVID sickness and death itself, and less aggressive police practices in response to Black Lives Matter and other organized criticisms of police use of force.
These factors are not applicable in many lands where increasing crime is a problem.
Also, they do not explain the mentality of individuals to commit evil acts on their fellowman.
Appart from this, the world has become increasingly chaotic over the last century.
Bible students recognize the increased lawlessness, and problems as evidence of demonic interference. These are signs they were instructed to expect, and look for.
The Bible says, at Revelation 12.
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.12 On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.”(Revelation 12:7-12)
So, it's a matter of knowing what to look for. If you aren't a scientist with knowledge of what to look for, you would never consider any notion of Dark Matter.
Likewise, if you are not a Bible student, and don't know what to look for, you would never give thought to the presence or influence of demons.
Thus, despite what skeptics and unbelievers say, there is evidence of demonic activity.
Maybe like Dark Matter, we don't need demons to explain the bad things that happen in the world.
No you didn't. You haven't presented any evidence to support the existence and actions of demons. What you claim is there isn't seen, because it is not there.
Beyond your attempt at false equivalence between Dark Matter and Demons, I cannot challenge your evidence. There has to be evidence in order to challenge it. Scientists do not do that. They present evidence.
You don't have evidence to test to formulate a hypothesis. It would be circular logic if you tried.
Interesting and irrelevant nonsense. A "homeboy" in a violent gang would have a model of the story you concocted with knowledge of outcomes and actions. He has an hypothesis and knows it has been tested.Okay, so I am in a violent gang, dealing drugs and guns.
My homeboy calls me up and says, 'Yo, boy. Heads up. Two hit men are heading over to your nest. Fly high or, roll."
I reply, "Wait. I haven't worked out a hypothesis for the scientists to test yet. You know, everything - absolutely everything - must be confirmed by science. Where you been living man? I'll sit here and think of one."
You don't have that. If people have knowledge of demons, that means evidence for them exists. Yet you cannot share that evidence. It doesn't exist. Subjective experience is not valid evidence that can be shared.
Nothing given to be seen. Speculation, false equivalence, what you believe and so forth are not evidence supporting the existence and actions of demons.
Not by others.
That doesn't appear to be the case. He is suggesting that your lack of evidence should lead you to at least claim you don't know if nothing else.
Irrelevant to your claim that not many agree that evolution is true and that not many agree that Noah's global flood was a mythAre you aware of how many people disagree with the scientific community?
They say the reason is due to the public not knowing much about science,Public and Scientists’ Views on Science and Society
The public and scientists express strikingly different views about science-related issues, yet both groups agree that K-12 STEM education in America falls behind other nations.
Why would you not expect disagreements coming from people who don't know much about the Bible, or Christianity?
I missed that post you are responding to. It seems to be trying to equate a difference in opinion on a survey to indicate some sort of basis to randomly deny science. A fairly illogical position to take given the many factors that might drive those differences that have nothing to do with the validity of the areas the questions are referencing.
In your OP where you present the definition of demons from (your interpretation of) the Bible. Since you consider the Bible as the unquestionable word of God, that is a conclusion that you are just asserting on the basis of that belief alone.
I have repeatedly asked you to explain what you claim to have evidence of. Exactly what is a demon and how would they have the effects you're describing (preferably without reference to scripture but in your own words based on direct evidence). Again, "I don't know" is always a valid answer to any question.
I'm still not making any claims. This isn't an argument between two different positions, however much you want to turn it in to one. This is you presenting an idea for discussion. It is perfectly viable to challenge or question any aspects of that idea or how you're going about presenting it without dismissing the idea as a whole or offering an overall alternative.
But if you're going to accuse everyone else of having it (but conveniently, you not), you are responsible for supporting that accusation. Why isn't it even possible that your OP doesn't explain the idea as perfectly as you imagine it does?
I've only been trying to address the point. You say you have evidence for demons but I'm not convinced your evidence does support the existence of demons. I've been trying to get you to clarify your claim to better understand and explain why we have these different opinions.
They say the reason is due to the public not knowing much about science,Public and Scientists’ Views on Science and Society
The public and scientists express strikingly different views about science-related issues, yet both groups agree that K-12 STEM education in America falls behind other nations.
Here's the difference.....
My claim? I never said that, so not only is your statement irrelevant to anything I said, it seems to be just said, because you have nothing meaningful to say.
An interpretation, is not predetermined on the basis of knowledge.
You can't be serious. I'm convinced you are all over the place because you just want to avoid what you just don't want to face - the facts that are too irrefutable for you to deny.
You probably aren't making claims, What are you doing?
It's not possible, because, it steps through each point, in baby steps, and from the beginning it was clear to all who read it, seeing that
Ha Ha. How would you like it explained. Ga Ga Goo Goo?
Please, have a go at it. Break it down for me.
Demons, Dark Matter and Dark energy all appear to be connected to the second law. In the case of demons the second; 2, is the binarius or Satan.People ask for evidence of demons.
Is there any evidence? Yes, there is.
First, we must understand what a demon is.
What are demons?
In the Bible, a demon is defined as an angel of God, that is debased. That is, a rebel angel.
An angel, is a higher form of life - a spirit being.
Thus, an angel is a life form, far more intelligent, and far more powerful than anything, known to man.
In another thread, I tried to help an individual grasp that. Was I successful?
Reasonableness is required. Let's see how many are.
Demons
- are unable to be physically detected, since they are invisible, and not affected by matter (Scientists have not yet observed dark matter directly. It doesn't interact with baryonic matter and it's completely invisible to light and other forms of electromagnetic radiation, making dark matter impossible to detect with current instruments)
- can affect matter, unknowingly, except one is aware of their design (All galaxies appear to be dominated by [Dark Matter. In] fact, galaxies are thought to form inside immense halos of dark matter)
Simply put... no puny instrument of man can detect a spirit being.
Does that mean, demons do not exist? No more than scientists believe Dark Matter, and Dark Energy are out there.
There are two ways to detect dark matter:
Of course, the scientists are not seeing Dark Matter, but looking for what effects indicate the presence of Dark Matter.
- Indirect detection: Scientists use indirect methods to detect dark matter. For example, they look for the effects of dark matter on visible matter, such as the gravitational pull of dark matter on stars and galaxies. Another indirect method is to look for gamma rays, the highest energy form of light, which are released when two dark matter particles collide.
- Direct detection: Scientists are also trying to detect dark matter directly. They are looking for the rare occasions when a dark matter particle collides with an atom in a detector on Earth.
The do so, based on their current understanding of how matter would, or should interact... according to their best educated guess.
The same is true of demons, and detecting their presence.
The Bible reveals knowledge about demons. It tells us, they are in opposition to God, and seeking to lead mankind in opposition to God.
Are they having success? What evidence do we have of their activity?
Recently, in the News... in almost every region, talk has been around the level of increased crime.
Persons say this is due to a range of factors, such as, COVID public health measures such as travel restrictions, school closures, lockdowns, and curfews, COVID sickness and death itself, and less aggressive police practices in response to Black Lives Matter and other organized criticisms of police use of force.
These factors are not applicable in many lands where increasing crime is a problem.
Also, they do not explain the mentality of individuals to commit evil acts on their fellowman.
Appart from this, the world has become increasingly chaotic over the last century.
Bible students recognize the increased lawlessness, and problems as evidence of demonic interference. These are signs they were instructed to expect, and look for.
The Bible says, at Revelation 12.
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.12 On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.”(Revelation 12:7-12)
So, it's a matter of knowing what to look for. If you aren't a scientist with knowledge of what to look for, you would never consider any notion of Dark Matter.
Likewise, if you are not a Bible student, and don't know what to look for, you would never give thought to the presence or influence of demons.
Thus, despite what skeptics and unbelievers say, there is evidence of demonic activity.
There is only one version of true Christianity. Jesus did not institute, preach, nor direct +30,000.
The predetermination is that if it is in the Bible, it must be true. That is clearly your starting point.
I already told you; trying to have a discussion about the assertion in your OP. I don't think the evidence you presented in the OP supports your conclusion at all.
Why shouldn't it be? You're the one claiming t have evidence for a conclusion, so you need to present that evidence in a way others can understand.
I'm not asking for simplification of what you've already posted, I'm asking for more detail and complexity. The scripture you're relying on doesn't describe anything clearly or consistently enough to be taken alone, you need more than that to support any conclusion.
The point is I still don't know what kind of demon concept you're talking about. Different proponents will take the same sources as you and yet come up with vastly different ideas or beliefs. I didn't want to guess as what you're thinking and put words in to your mouth. I'll give it a go if you insist though.
There is only one version of true Christianity. Jesus did not institute, preach, nor direct +30,000.
The difference, off course, is that non-fraudulent science is demonstrable. We can use independent verifiable evidence to distinguish them.
Evidence of not physical nature? You mean like the invisible fairies in my garden?
Are you claiming that you know versions of Christianity that are fraudulent?There is only one version of true Christianity. Jesus did not institute, preach, nor direct +30,000.
Fraudulent science is not science, right? Neither is fraudulent or imitation Christianity, Christianity.