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Demonstration of free will.

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
Whether you were brought into this thread by a chain of events outside your control, by your own will or maybe you just randomly fell in. It does not matter because now you are here and now the choice is yours to make. You can either reply to this thread or not reply to the thread. You are free to choose either, the choice is yours and yours alone. Whatever may compel you it does not force you. So exercise that freedom of choice you have.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Whether you were brought into this thread by a chain of events outside your control, by your own will or maybe you just randomly fell in. It does not matter because now you are here and now the choice is yours to make. You can either reply to this thread or not reply to the thread. You are free to choose either, the choice is yours and yours alone. Whatever may compel you it does not force you. So exercise that freedom of choice you have.
Simply responding to this thread, though, cannot demonstrate free will. An Internet Bot can respond to this thread.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
But was it my freedom of choice that caused me to respond? Or was it my conviction that free will is neither totally existent or non-existent, but rather apparent in different levels in different people, and the fact that I'm fairly grounded in this conviction, that forced me to do it?
 

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
But was it my freedom of choice that caused me to respond? Or was it my conviction that free will is neither totally existent or non-existent, but rather apparent in different levels in different people, and the fact that I'm fairly grounded in this conviction, that forced me to do it?

Are you saying you choose to respond because you are stubborn? We all have our reasons for making the decisions we make, but, in the end, it is us who makes the choice.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Are you saying you choose to respond because you are stubborn? We all have our reasons for making the decisions we make, but, in the end, it is us who makes the choice.

In this case, you are correct. After all, I could have just as easily made the choice not to respond to a cheap gimmick thread, and that was equally as tempting as responding. However, free will is not binary, either there or not there. If that were the case, addictions, habits, etc. would not exist. Free will is, in fact, a SKILL, and must be cultivated in order to be strong.

Let me give you an example: if we all make our own choices totally because we choose to, I should have no problem doing my work, right? Guess what? Last time I tried to do very simple and easy homework, I got what amounts to a panic attack and just froze and went braindead (probably not literally, but I just sat there with nothing going on in my head and not moving) for about fifteen minutes, and even after that it was impossible for me to focus on anything brain-engaging for the rest of the day. I had absolutely NO control over that. Sure, I had the will to at least try, but not the will to stand up to the EXTREME desire to not do it.

But this was months ago, and I've since learned a method for strengthening willpower, and since then it's been a lot easier for me to "just do" other duties. I haven't had a chance to test it out on homework, yet, as I've been taking this summer off, but in about a month, when school starts back up, we'll see how much progress I've made.
 

idea

Question Everything
nature vs. nurture
nurture - we react because our environment has programmed us to respond? respond or be eaten? why do we want to survive in the first place? rocks survive...
nature - react because it is hardwired into DNA?

some reactions can be traced back to our environment, others can be traced to our DNA, but there is a third component too... some actions come from neither our environment, nor our DNA - but come directly from our spirit... not about what neighborhood we grew up in, or who our parents are - there is a third component which is the author of free will.


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action vs. reaction
this thread will be nothing more than knee-jerk reactions...
real free-will is manifest through our ability to act without being prompted to do so.
free will = self-causal... not a reaction to anything - created entirely from within ourselves.
 
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bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Look at a Cloud what do you see. Wait 5 minutes look again what do you see.

Whatever, if you look it will prove you have free will. If you don't you'll never know what you missed.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Whatever, if you look it will prove you have free will. If you don't you'll never know what you missed.

I have a good imagination, and experience has shown me that what the imagination comes up with is often cooler than what's actually there.

So, I imagine that the cloud I "missed" looked like a perfectly sculpted dragon. ^_^
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Whether you were brought into this thread by a chain of events outside your control, by your own will or maybe you just randomly fell in. It does not matter because now you are here and now the choice is yours to make. You can either reply to this thread or not reply to the thread. You are free to choose either, the choice is yours and yours alone. Whatever may compel you it does not force you. So exercise that freedom of choice you have.
Yes, that would be a demonstration of free will, but so what? It doesn't say anything about its nature.
 
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AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
Whether you were brought into this thread by a chain of events outside your control, by your own will or maybe you just randomly fell in. It does not matter because now you are here and now the choice is yours to make. You can either reply to this thread or not reply to the thread. You are free to choose either, the choice is yours and yours alone. Whatever may compel you it does not force you.

I am responding to the thread, but only because God forced me to respond.
 

sauloftardis

New Member
no. a demonstration of free will would be Andorran brandy, Kirk's green alien chick, and a stretch with a Jacuzzi...

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will still ain't free...
 

crocusj

Active Member
Look at a Cloud what do you see. Wait 5 minutes look again what do you see.

Whatever, if you look it will prove you have free will. If you don't you'll never know what you missed.
You mean curiousity will have forced you to look and forced you to worry if you don't? Not very liberating. Not looking and not worrying about not looking would be free will, cloud wise.
 

Marble

Rolling Marble
I like to let you know that out of my own free will I have decided not to reply to this thread.
 

Onkara

Well-Known Member
Whatever may compel you it does not force you. So exercise that freedom of choice you have.

So consciously or unconsciously you recognise that we are compelled. Although we may not know what it is, we certainly feel it... it got me out of bed this morning much to my regret, it makes me eat when I feel hungry and I remember it made me sleep last night.

In Kashmir Shaivism the term used is Iccha Shakti, it is Iccha Shakti which compels us. It is natural as sunlight and cannot be separated from your very being (Sat).

Once it is recognise the terms can be put down and we can see that we are compelled; even compelled not to react or to deny.
 
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Rhizomatic

Vaguely (Post)Postmodern
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This doesn't really address the arguments made by determinists at all. People who argue that individuals lack free will because of determinism do not claim that individuals do not make choices. They claim that those choices are determined, and subsequently argue that this invalidates any meaningful definition of free will (generally understood as the freedom to do otherwise in a given situation).
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Whether you were brought into this thread by a chain of events outside your control, by your own will or maybe you just randomly fell in. It does not matter because now you are here and now the choice is yours to make. You can either reply to this thread or not reply to the thread. You are free to choose either, the choice is yours and yours alone.

Is it? Mommy tells me that I can't choose to answer any more threads before dinner. Is that compatible with the idea of Free Will?

Do we ever make choices truly by ourselves? I don't think that is ever possible, because we don't exist by ourselves in the first place.


Whatever may compel you it does not force you. So exercise that freedom of choice you have.

Doesn't that make Free Will something that can be doubted or believed in with no discernible difference, however?
 
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