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Demystifying Quantum Physics

godnotgod

Thou art That
Compared to your Google-mystic knowledge of "reality" you gleaned without the capacity to read mystic texts in their original languages, without the instruction of any master, with the ridiculously misinformed and inaccurate views you have regarding topics like QM, and your Western fast-food "Mc-Mystic" ideology akin to fluffy bunny Wicca?

Ha ha ha ...as interpreted via your scientifically hypnotized altered consciousness.

We do have keys to unlock attention enslaved onto those Plato cave wall shadows.

Your take is a knee-jerk white magic demonization of anything non-science. That is because of your hypnotic trance, unnoticed by you, ala frog in pot of water.


NOTE: while I am not a Wiccan, I know a Wiccan woman. She is also a scientist, a master chemist, an animal whisperer, and is more sane than many people I know, and she is smarter than you. Your attempt at belittling Wicca is an indication of your ignorance and displays an innate terror of fluffy bunnies.
 
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godnotgod

Thou art That
Originally Posted by LegionOnomaMoi

...as having read, studied with, studied under, and engaged with many mystics

In various posts you have defined a vast range of worldviews, yet have so utterly failed to even approach mystic understandings as they have existed through history...

How would you know anything about the mystical experience?

You may have studied for years and years, but that means absolutely nothing in terms of the actual experience, so why do you continue to harp on your vast knowledge of history, science, languages, and philosophy, when you fail to have a basic spiritual understanding of nature, and of yourself?

THE MYSTICAL EXPERIENCE IS BEFORE HISTORY, SCIENCE, LANGUAGE, AND PHILOSOPHY! IT IS NOT PHILOSOPHY!

The Buddha warned against seeking knowledge of origins in his famous Kalama Sutta, and in his parable of the man fatally shot with an arrow, in lieu of self-awareness and the alleviation of metaphysical suffering.

'mystic understandings' don't exist in history; only the traces of outsiders exposure to them do, such as yourself. The mystical experience is always outside of history; outside of time and space, because consciousness is outside of time and space. You keep wanting to force everything into a convenient box, especially the scientific box, as a means of making nature 'make sense' to your logical mind. It doesn't work that way.

Because you approach reality with a discriminating mind, it only appears that I am presenting a 'vast range of worldviews', when, in fact, there is only one view. But you don't know that because your view is a fragmented one to begin with.
 
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godnotgod

Thou art That
You have no familiarity with research or philosophy on the mind/consciousness.

The 'mind' is an illusion, a self-created illusion.

You are incapable of describing states of anything in any meaningful way.

You mean sorta like how you try to tell us that a particle is purely a scientific description?

Your ignorance of how perception influences cognition and belief systems is virtually complete.

Is that anything like your scientific belief system influencing your incorrect perception of the world?

Basically, you parrot words from sciences you can't understand in relation to religious and spiritual movements that you can only access through translations provided by the academics you insult.\

I just cut to the chase by going direct. Yours is the long way home, and is only an outside description by others of those who've had the spiritual experience. For some strange reason, you seem to think you can understand the mystical experience via research, academia, history, philosophy, esoteric languages, and other masters. You're still carrying around a load of baggage that is just in the way.

I have referenced Fritjof Capra regarding both physics and Eastern mysticism. Are you saying I don't understand his message? Or is it that you don't?
 
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LegionOnomaMoi

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How would you know anything about the mystical experience?

Because unlike you I've trained under masters and researched mysticism and engaged in mystical practices under the instruction of masters. I didn't base my knowledge on google.
 
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godnotgod

Thou art That
Because unlike you I've trained under masters and research mysticism and engaged in mystical practices under the instruction of masters. I didn't base my knowledge on google.

Neither did I.

So where has all this training and research led? Why is it that, in spite of all your vast 'knowledge', you still fail to have understanding?

Had you truly realized the fruits of your efforts, you would realize that there are no masters or students.

I have had no such training or masters. All I can do is eat when hungry, and sleep when tired.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Because unlike you I've trained under masters and researched mysticism and engaged in mystical practices under the instruction of masters. I didn't base my knowledge on google.
What did you learn from all that? Of course, my question is not the same as that of godnotgod. I was fortunate enough to study some science.
 
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godnotgod

Thou art That
What did you learn from all that? Of course, my question is not the same as that of godnotgod. I was fortunate enough to study some science.

I'd just like to point out that there is no conflict between science and spirituality, but spirituality is a transformative experience, in which the findings of science become illuminated and placed in the correct context.

As for the spiritual experience, one can read and study about the Pentecost, for example, but the actual experience of tongues of fire descending upon one's forehead would be quite different, and would, in turn, actualize the teaching. The point here is that the study is not necessary to the experience, although study and practice may be conducive to it.

The description is never the described.
 
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LegionOnomaMoi

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What did you learn from all that?

Mostly from Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming. Before Dr. Yang's retreat center, the headquarters of YMAA was luckily right near a main train/bus station near where I lived. Most of this was wu su training, but Dr. Yang heavily emphasized qigong, traditional Chinese medicine and its theoretical basis, acupressure as well as cavity presses, etc.

The main other source I had was Shihan Mark Davis and the occasional guest instructor (such as Stephen Hayes), but never Grandmaster Hatsumi.

Those two represent the only instructors/masters I had for years, rather than months or similarly paltry amounts of time.

I belonged to two covens, one which I am virtually certain was bogus and the other which was Gardnerian but did not claim to be of direct descent from Gardner. Between my membership in both and after both I continued to belong (unofficially) to social circles in which I frequently met and participated in gatherings related to everything from rune stones to Tarot.

My "academic" study (i.e., primarily historical but also any studies on any evidence for the utility, veracity, etc., of study of mysticism, ceremonial magic, etc.) began as my practice waned.

The training I now do has no relation to mystic, Eastern, or similar practices as it is combat oriented, but I have continued to study religious, spiritual, and mystic history, practice, and tradition from reading classical Greek and Latin sources to anthropological literature. However, such studies have for a long time now been as an outsider, not a practitioner.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
As for the spiritual experience, one can read and study about the Pentecost, for example, but the actual experience of tongues of fire descending upon one's forehead would be quite different, and would, in turn, actualize the teaching.
I am not a Christian but are you talking about things like Paul saying that he could talk in tongues more than anyone else?
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
I am not a Christian but are you talking about things like Paul saying that he could talk in tongues more than anyone else?

No, I am referring to the Biblical event of the Pentecost.

Pentecost (Ancient Greek: Πεντηκοστή [ἡμέρα], Pentēkostē [hēmera], "the fiftieth [day]") is the Greek name for the Feast of Weeks, a prominent feast in the calendar of ancient Israel celebrating the giving of the Law on Sinai. This feast is still celebrated in Judaism as Shavuot. Later, in the Christian liturgical year, it became a feast commemorating the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles and other followers of Jesus Christ, (120 in all) as described in the Acts of the Apostles 2:1–31.[1] For this reason, Pentecost is sometimes described by some Christians today as the "Birthday of the Church."

Wikipedia
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and they saw tongues of what looked like fire distributing themselves over the assembly, and on the head of each person a tongue alighted.
Acts 2:3

The word 'tongues', here, has a purely metaphorical meaning.
 
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