Derek Chauvin is the scapegoat of a rotten system

[Estro Felino]

This hatred towards the police is the manifestation of how sick and rotten the police system in America is.

No matter how racialized this issue has been, race has nothing to do with that. It deals with a systematic regime of terror created to intimidate the US population, and to make them "a priori guilty, until evidence of the contrary is provided".

That's how Floyd was killed because of that.
Now they used Chauvin as a scapegoat, supposed to atone for the sins of the entire police system.

He should have been safeguarded, and isolated from dangerous inmates.

 

[Kfox]

This hatred towards the police is the manifestation of how sick and rotten the police system in America is.

No matter how racialized this issue has been, race has nothing to do with that. It deals with a systematic regime of terror created to intimidate the US population, and to make them "a priori guilty, until evidence of the contrary is provided".

That's how Floyd was killed because of that.
Now they used Chauvin as a scapegoat, supposed to atone for the sins of the entire police system.

He should have been safeguarded, and isolated from dangerous inmates.

A lot of people seem to think George Floyd dying with a knee on his neck is the first time such a thing has happened; but it’s not. It’s just the first time it happened to a black man. The reality is, cops have used putting a knee on the chest or back of the neck to restrain a suspect forever; and occasionally when the suspect is full of drugs, they will die. Tony Tempa, Timothy Coffman, and Edward Bronstien are examples of people dying this way before the Chauvan/Floyd incident. But Tony, Timothy, and Edward were all white so nobody noticed, nobody cared and the cops always got off. But George Floyd was black so it immediately became a race thing and all hell broke loose. If George Floyd were white, Derick Chauvan would not have been convicted, and he would likely still be on the police force, because nobody would have noticed, nobody would have cared.

 

[fantome profane]

It’s just the first time it happened to a black man.

That has got to be the stupidest thing anyone has ever said about this.

This wasn't even the first time Derek Chauvin put his knee on a black man's throat

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

This hatred towards the police is the manifestation of how sick and rotten the police system in America is.

No matter how racialized this issue has been, race has nothing to do with that. It deals with a systematic regime of terror created to intimidate the US population, and to make them "a priori guilty, until evidence of the contrary is provided".

That's how Floyd was killed because of that.
Now they used Chauvin as a scapegoat, supposed to atone for the sins of the entire police system.

He should have been safeguarded, and isolated from dangerous inmates.

I do not question that Chauvin should have been kept safe in prison -- as should every other prisoner. But the rest of your post simply ignores the only salient fact -- Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's neck, in spite of the fact that Floyd said "I can't breathe," until Floyd was DEAD. Chauvin was not alone against Floyd -- he had 3 other officers with him, and from the moment they had him down, they were perfectly capable of controlling him without robbing him of the breath that sustained his life.

Are you sure you're a jurist?

 

[libre]

I do not question that Chauvin should have been kept safe in prison -- as should every other prisoner. But the rest of your post simply ignores the only salient fact -- Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's neck, in spite of the fact that Floyd said "I can't breathe," until Floyd was DEAD. Chauvin was not alone against Floyd -- he had 3 other officers with him, and from the moment they had him down, they were perfectly capable of controlling him without robbing him of the breath that sustained his life.

Are you sure you're a jurist?

I think OP is right to suggest that all guilt was pinned on Chauvin to protect the department.
The reality is that in the United States cops for a long time were encouraged to engage in all sorts of abuse, and then the police departments try to shift all the blame onto the individual officers to protect themselves when public opinion has changed.

Cops protect their own, until it's on video, then they cry about bad apples and try to remove themselves from responsibility.

MPD training materials show knee-to-neck restraint similar to the one used on Floyd

Former officer Thomas Lane filed the materials as part of a motion to dismiss his charges.

www.kare11.com

 

[Estro Felino]

I do not question that Chauvin should have been kept safe in prison -- as should every other prisoner. But the rest of your post simply ignores the only salient fact -- Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's neck, in spite of the fact that Floyd said "I can't breathe," until Floyd was DEAD. Chauvin was not alone against Floyd -- he had 3 other officers with him, and from the moment they had him down, they were perfectly capable of controlling him without robbing him of the breath that sustained his life.

Are you sure you're a jurist?

Yes...are you saying he deserves capital punishment and so they did right in stabbing him?

 

[Estro Felino]

I think OP is right to suggest that all guilt was pinned on Chauvin to protect the department.
The reality is that in the United States cops for a long time were encouraged to engage in all sorts of abuse, and then the police departments try to shift all the blame onto the individual officers to protect themselves when public opinion has changed.

Cops protect their own, until it's on video, then they cry about bad apples and try to remove themselves from responsibility.

MPD training materials show knee-to-neck restraint similar to the one used on Floyd

Former officer Thomas Lane filed the materials as part of a motion to dismiss his charges.

www.kare11.com

That's exactly what I meant.

Thank God someone read my OP thoroughly.

 

[Estro Felino]

A lot of people seem to think George Floyd dying with a knee on his neck is the first time such a thing has happened; but it’s not. It’s just the first time it happened to a black man. The reality is, cops have used putting a knee on the chest or back of the neck to restrain a suspect forever; and occasionally when the suspect is full of drugs, they will die. Tony Tempa, Timothy Coffman, and Edward Bronstien are examples of people dying this way before the Chauvan/Floyd incident. But Tony, Timothy, and Edward were all white so nobody noticed, nobody cared and the cops always got off. But George Floyd was black so it immediately became a race thing and all hell broke loose. If George Floyd were white, Derick Chauvan would not have been convicted, and he would likely still be on the police force, because nobody would have noticed, nobody would have cared.

Are you saying that cops have always killed people and got away with it?
Say it clearly.

 

[Estro Felino]

MPD training materials show knee-to-neck restraint similar to the one used on Floyd

Former officer Thomas Lane filed the materials as part of a motion to dismiss his charges.

www.kare11.com

Yes...it's a rotten system where systematic violence and barbaric methods like that of the knee to neck restraint are taught.
Now that there is a dead man, and innocent, the police system has distanced itself from all that sewer and used Chauvin as scapegoat.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Yes...are you saying he deserves capital punishment and so they did right in stabbing him?

Apparently you didn't read my post at all. How is it possible that I could write "Chauvin should have been kept safe in prison -- as should every other prisoner," and mean "he deserves capital punishment??" How can I -- who have told this forum many times that I am adamantly opposed to capital punishment, suppose that prisoners "did right in stabbing him?"

I ask you seriously, are you being honest?

 

[Estro Felino]

Apparently you didn't read my post at all. How is it possible that I could write "Chauvin should have been kept safe in prison -- as should every other prisoner," and mean "he deserves capital punishment??" How can I -- who have told this forum many times that I am adamantly opposed to capital punishment, suppose that prisoners "did right in stabbing him?"

I ask you seriously, are you being honest?

What's your point then?
Speak clearly instead of asking questions.

 

[Estro Felino]

I ask you seriously, are you being honest?

Excuse me sir...have you come here just to attack me with ad hominems?

 

[Kfox]

That has got to be the stupidest thing anyone has ever said about this.

This wasn't even the first time Derek Chauvin put his knee on a black man's throat

The knee was not on his throat, it was on the side of the neck. If it was on his throat, he would not have been able to speak clearly when he said I can't breath.

 

[Kfox]

Are you saying that cops have always killed people and got away with it?
Say it clearly.

I'm saying cops have often put their knee on the neck or chest in order to restraint people, and sometimes when the person is on a lot of drugs, this has caused them to die. How much clearer are you looking for?

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm saying cops have often put their knee on the neck or chest in order to restraint people, and sometimes when the person is on a lot of drugs, this has caused them to die. How much clearer are you looking for?

Thank you. Very enlightening answer.
That's criminal, because there is something called handcuffs.
You can't kill people just like that. It's manslaughter.

 

[Kfox]

Thank you. Very enlightening answer.
That's criminal, because there is something called handcuffs.
You can't kill people just like that. It's manslaughter.

Hencer Chauvin's conviction. But what about the cops that killed Tony Tempa, Timothy Coffman, or Edward Bronstiien?

 

[Estro Felino]

Hencer Chauvin's conviction. But what about the cops that killed Tony Tempa, Timothy Coffman, or Edward Bronstiien?

Are they free?
That's outrageous.
You are focusing on how racialized this issue is. That is, that white on white crime is forgiven.
Or ignored.
That's outrageous, because a manslaughter is a manslaughter. Whether the victim is black, white, Asian...

 

[Estro Felino]

From what I read, people with serious psychiatric issues are hired as cops, just like that.
That has to stop.

Killing of Tony Timpa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even here...this cop needs to be treated. There may be serious psychiatric problems, here.
Compulsory Sanitary Treatment.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Thank you. Very enlightening answer.
That's criminal, because there is something called handcuffs.
You can't kill people just like that. It's manslaughter.

Once cuffs are on, that should be the end of the story.

 

[Estro Felino]

Once cuffs are on, that should be the end of the story.

If a Government hires sane educated people as police officers, and you know...going to colleges to select them.

Not hiring literally anyone, just because they are children of X or Y.
That doesn't guarantee their sanity and their intellectual skills needed to do this kind of work.