oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
time to wake up! I was pointing out that the debate is about his comments, not 'guns awash America'. And i was disagreeing with a members view that crims are cranks.
so your post was a waste of space.
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Detroit police chief says armed citizens deter crime
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so your post was a waste of space.
Alceste
Vagabond
That's anarcho-syndicalist to you. Fie on liberalism!
dust1n
Zindīq
Yet, still no actual evidence for the statement.
Juhurka
Member
Whatever you say lol.
Felling sorry for a robber while ignoring the robbed makes you an accomplice or a fool.
Alceste
Vagabond
I feel sorry for the killer too. Even if he has an abnormal psychology and feels no trauma due to killing a kid in his house, it's hard to clean up blood and guts. Plus it stinks.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Why are you assuming that everyone is untrained? Even the most staunch supporters of the 2nd amendment don't condone irresponsible ownership.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
If a group of armed intruders are attempting to kick in the front door into your home, It would be abnormal psychology in that moment to have their well-being near the top of your priority list, when your own self and any other occupants of your home should be your primary concern. Sure, taking a human life might be a little traumatic, but nowhere near as traumatic if it were me or one of my loved ones who were harmed or killed instead. Also, I would rather live with a little trauma than not live it all (due to being murdered in my own living room).
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dawny0826
Mother Heathen
She's a smart girl. Just a different viewpoint.
But, the truth of the matter is that the 18 year old was armed and no one was celebrating death. Just a nod to those who opt to defend themselves.
It's a small sample size, but I know a few people who survived violent conflicts by killing the perp.
100% of them feel pretty good about their choice.
We so often hear that non-violent self defense will do the job....they have it all planned out:
Their kung fu is that good. Or they'll kick the perp in the nuts (always a man, eh?).
But not once have I heard anyone say they did this successfully.
The real world scoffs at our plans for violent conflict to be predictable.
So tis better to plan for the worst, since it's easier to do something less extreme, than
prepare for the best & encounter the worst.
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Surviving is nothing to feel guilty about, especially when those who were accountable for the outcome were those who attempted to victimize the innocent.
They have this naive, mawkish, wishy-washy view of the world, and they hold to this notion that others are obligated to jeopardize their own lives and well-being to humor and uphold such a view.
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
If anything was celebrated, it was citizens standing up and not allowing themselves to be victims.
Perhaps we see too many movies & TV shows wherein a 100 pound pixie takes on a guy twice her size, & deftly disables him with impressive martial arts moves. This is theoretically possible, but it would not be the norm. I once met a fella who had 7th degree (or thereabouts) black belt in aikido. He taught & trained in self defense against weapons. But he was smart & careful.....he carried a weapon.
Lets not be too rough on the liberals, many have lived a sheltered life from violence and have a false sense of security.
dust1n
Zindīq
That's why cities and minority populations overwhelming lean left! Because of the lack of violence and proliferation of sheltered lives.
Alceste
Vagabond
Yeah, I basically just don't see this as a realistic risk assessment. The likelihood of some kind of mishap from keeping a loaded gun, or of having that weapon stolen, far outweigh the likelihood of a home invasion.
Alceste
Vagabond
In addition to preventing both a sexual assault and a burglary by simply saying "**** off or I'll call the police", I've also been physically attacked and dropped the attacker (a woman) with a punch to the solar plexus - and that was before I took lessons.
Now you know of three successful attempts to defend oneself or others without packing a gun around everywhere.
You're welcome!
Alceste
Vagabond
Anybody participating in this thread is not having their front door kicked down by armed intruders. If they did, they'd probably be dealing with that and not hanging out on an internet forum.
There's nothing wrong with thinking about ways to prevent a home invasion that don't end up with someone dead. A significant number of societal failures have to have happened before a person gets to the point where they've decided to commit a home invasion and are actually breaking down that door.
On a Quaker forum I used to be on, I remember another member describing his encounter with an armed burglar in his house in the middle of the night: he went downstairs to check out the noise, found the burglar, and then calmed him down and offered him a coffee. They sat down in his kitchen and had a long discussion about the burglar's life choices. In the morning, he drove the burglar to a drug rehab facility. They still consider each other friends.
I have no way to confirm his story, so feel free to take it with a grain of salt.
Frankly, I think the naive - or at least immature - view is more often held by people on the pro-gun side. They're the ones who often frame things in overly simplistic, black-and-white language of "law-abiding citizens" and "bad guys" (and never the twain shall meet) and think that they're somehow immune to the additional risk that having a gun in their home represents.
However, there's something else that worries me more: the literal "armed camp" mentality I see from many gun advocates. As they say, to the man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. I get a strong impression from many pro-gun people of an "I've got mine, screw everyone else" mindset, as if their ability to kill someone trying to take their TV means that they don't have to worry about the societal problems that could lead someone to decide that stealing TVs is his best available option in life.