Dick's and Hypocrites

[esmith]

Why? Because you say so?

No because the law says so. Or are you disagreeing with the law?

 

[esmith]

You and I have different definitions of "fortunately," apparently.

Yep!!!!

 

[esmith]

I just wish that some whom are so pro-gun would even be more pro-living, thus putting our children ahead of a machine who's sole purpose is to kill. IMO, the NRA should be declared a subversive organization because of the utterly deadly stances they have taken thus putting their profits over our children and innocent adults. To me, they are much more a threat to American security that are ISIS and al-Queda combined.

Are you for or against abortions?
Seems that being for abortions would be anti-pro-living, don't you think?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No because the law says so. Or are you disagreeing with the law?

Things aren't made reasonable or appropriate just because "the law" says. That's a classic appeal to authority claim. Not that your law makes any such claims about reasonableness or appropriateness in the manner you describe, AFAIK. Feel free to quote such a law to prove me wrong, of course.

 

[esmith]

Things aren't made reasonable or appropriate just because "the law" says. That's a classic appeal to authority claim. Not that your law makes any such claims about reasonableness or appropriateness in the manner you describe, AFAIK. Feel free to quote such a law to prove me wrong, of course.

Does not the law give me the right to defend myself. If not please show me were it says I can not.
You see in my State we have the Castle Doctrine.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Does not the law give me the right to defend myself. If not please show me were it says I can not.
You see in my State we have the Castle Doctrine.

Does the "right to defend one's self" mean ANY weapon is appropriate and reasonable, or do you conceed there should be limitations?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I fear this is all about to get very circular. "Large magazine capacities on semiautomatic weapons are appropriate and reasonable because they are legal, and large magazine capacities on semiautomatic weapons are legal because they are appropriate and reasonable, and large magazine capacities on semiautomatic weapons are appropriate and reasonable because they are legal, and large magazine capacities on semiautomatic weapons are legal because they are appropriate and reasonable," and so on...

 

[esmith]

Does the "right to defend one's self" mean ANY weapon is appropriate and reasonable, or do you conceed there should be limitations?

Anything that is legal for me to own, in other words no limitations. I have said enough, obviously you might have other opinions on what I can carry so were done

 

[Prestor John]

You believe that the USA Constitution is God Given?

I believe it to be an inspired document, but that was not what I was saying.

I was claiming that the right to bear arms is God-given. The Constitution merely defends that right.

Sorry, I don't. I think it's a human contract, and commonly contradicts the Bible. In fact, I hardly see a thing in the Constitution that can be supported by Scripture.

I'd love to see some examples of that and also reasons for why that should matter.

 

[idav]

I believe it to be an inspired document, but that was not what I was saying.

I was claiming that the right to bear arms is God-given. The Constitution merely defends that right.

I'd love to see some examples of that and also reasons for why that should matter.

Do you really think God wants people to be able to kill others as easily as possible?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Does not the law give me the right to defend myself. If not please show me were it says I can not.

The law also limits what a person can do in preparation for self-defense. For instance, many places have laws against "fortification." You also can't legally set up booby traps in your backyard.

You see in my State we have the Castle Doctrine.

And in many other places they don't, so it doesn't seem to me that "Castle Doctrine" is based on any inherent right.

 

[Revoltingest]

The law also limits what a person can do in preparation for self-defense. For instance, many places have laws against "fortification." You also can't legally set up booby traps in your backyard.

Reminds me of.....

And in many other places they don't, so it doesn't seem to me that "Castle Doctrine" is based on any inherent right.

Like all rights, it is one because enuf people believe that it is.
After all, it's not like we have some inerrant objectively true
source, eg, religious scripture. But if you want something,
it has roots in English Common Law.
Castle doctrine - Wikipedia

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Anything that is legal for me to own, in other words no limitations. I have said enough, obviously you might have other opinions on what I can carry so were done

How about fencing?

You can buy chain link fencing and razor wire now. Ringing your property in an 8-foot-high, climb-resistant fence certainly has more to do with self-defense than keeping a gun, right?

And your neighbours would have less justification to ban a fence than a gun: the only complaint about a big ugly fence is aesthetics. It's not like a chain link fence could launch dangerous projectiles at your neighbours.

Do you also demand the right to put up whatever sort of fence you can buy legally?

 

[esmith]

The law also limits what a person can do in preparation for self-defense. For instance, many places have laws against "fortification." You also can't legally set up booby traps in your backyard.


And in many other places they don't, so it doesn't seem to me that "Castle Doctrine" is based on any inherent right.

Going off on a tangent are we.
Tell you what, if you do not like the laws of certain States vote your displeasure with your pocketbook...don't shop there.

 

[Prestor John]

Do you really think God wants people to be able to kill others as easily as possible?

No, I do not.

I believe that if God had His way, there would be no motivation or means of violence upon the Earth.

However, He gave free will to all. The good and the bad. The just and the unjust. The law abiding citizen and the criminal.

If the only weapons in the world were rocks and pointy sticks, God would command His people to build defenses against such and to have rocks and pointy sticks on hand in order to defend themselves, their wives, children and homes.

Unfortunately, we live in a world of guns and God, in His wisdom and mercy, would have the righteous be prepared to defend themselves in such a world.

 

[idav]

No, I do not.

I believe that if God had His way, there would be no motivation or means of violence upon the Earth.

However, He gave free will to all. The good and the bad. The just and the unjust. The law abiding citizen and the criminal.

If the only weapons in the world were rocks and pointy sticks, God would command His people to build defenses against such and to have rocks and pointy sticks on hand in order to defend themselves, their wives, children and homes.

Unfortunately, we live in a world of guns and God, in His wisdom and mercy, would have the righteous be prepared to defend themselves in such a world.

Hmmm maybe. It always confused me that Jesus had the apostles take arms, for defense of course, but then was mad when the apostles actually used the weapons.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Going off on a tangent are we.

Not at all.

If we're worried about intruders, then stopping them from getting in in the first place is the logical first step. Whether you should shoot an intruder dead isn't even a question unless your first line of defense fails.

You do agree that if someone is worried about being hurt by an intruder, their first priority should be keeping intruders out, don't you?

 

[esmith]

Not at all.

If we're worried about intruders, then stopping them from getting in in the first place is the logical first step. Whether you should shoot an intruder dead isn't even a question unless your first line of defense fails.

You do agree that if someone is worried about being hurt by an intruder, their first priority should be keeping intruders out, don't you?

Yeah, it's called a firearm.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yeah, it's called a firearm.

Not everyone will want to use a firearm... or not just a firearm. If someone thinks that they need a razor wire-topped fence to keep their family safe, who are we to say they shouldn't have it, right?

After all, you support a person's right to defend their family and their home as they see fit, don't you?

 

[tytlyf]

Yeah, it's called a firearm.

Gotcha, for the times they're outside the fence.